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Amazing....Thousands are going to heaven because of Billy Graham. What is more amazing is the fact that you seem to say, without a doubt who is saved and who isn't. Sounds to me like you are playing God. When did you achieve perfection?
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YOu are wrong. If thousands are going to Heaven, it is because of Jesus Christ and his word of truth. On the flip side, probably thousands of people are going straight to hell because of Billy Graham and his rotten fruit.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Amazing....Thousands are going to heaven because of Billy Graham. What is more amazing is the fact that you seem to say, without a doubt who is saved and who isn't. Sounds to me like you are playing God. When did you achieve perfection?
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YOu are wrong. If thousands are going to Heaven, it is because of Jesus Christ and his word of truth. On the flip side, probably thousands of people are going straight to hell because of Billy Graham and his rotten fruit.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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What conclusion should I draw from your fruit as manifested by your critical, judgemental spirit?
It's all rhetorics. I believe that Christ saves me day after day. Today I am saved. When tomorrow comes, i will also be able to say " I am saved". I see no reason why I should not ask myself, every morning, if I believe in Christ. Of course I believe. I only reaffirm it to the Lord every day. I see nothing wrong with that and it reinforces my faith, as every day comforts me in the belief that Christ is God and that God is almighty powerful.
Jesus talks about the possibility of straying, so I do not doubt his word. It does not mean that a believer, once he has strayed and returned to Christ, can stray again and again in total impunity. I do not believe it happens a lot anyway. Those who have known Christ and left him behind, then have returned, know what they are chosing, mortal life against eternal life. I believe this is an area where flip-flopping is not easy. Stray once, yes, but stray several times, no. I do not even think it is possible.
Corinne
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What conclusion should I draw from your fruit as manifested by your critical, judgemental spirit?
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I do not judge this based upon my own opinions and judgements, as you and many others are in fact the one's guilty of, in condoning such men, and claiming they are something that they are not. I judge all by the scriptural truths, so that I am not decieved and can help others not be decieved. The Lord has given many warnings to us, to let no man decieve you by any means. How are we kept from being decieved from men, if we do not and have not been given the ability and authority to judge? You are allowing yourself to be decieved, by letting those who throw the verse of scripture in your face, to not judge lest ye be judged affect your judgement that YOU ARE COMMANDED TO DO. We are told to judge righteous judgement, and to prove all things, hold fast that which is good, abstain from all appearances of evil. WE cannot do these things, unless we first JUDGE THEM, not based upon our own judgements and opinions, but based upon the scriptural truths. We will know them (other saved brothers and sisters) by their fruits. The days of today, are not days we should be lacking in the area of judgement, as the days are only increasingly becoming more wicked, and more deceptive, where many are calling good evil, and evil good.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
What conclusion should I draw from your fruit as manifested by your critical, judgemental spirit?
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I do not judge this based upon my own opinions and judgements, as you and many others are in fact the one's guilty of, in condoning such men, and claiming they are something that they are not. I judge all by the scriptural truths, so that I am not decieved and can help others not be decieved. The Lord has given many warnings to us, to let no man decieve you by any means. How are we kept from being decieved from men, if we do not and have not been given the ability and authority to judge? You are allowing yourself to be decieved, by letting those who throw the verse of scripture in your face, to not judge lest ye be judged affect your judgement that YOU ARE COMMANDED TO DO. We are told to judge righteous judgement, and to prove all things, hold fast that which is good, abstain from all appearances of evil. WE cannot do these things, unless we first JUDGE THEM, not based upon our own judgements and opinions, but based upon the scriptural truths. We will know them (other saved brothers and sisters) by their fruits. The days of today, are not days we should be lacking in the area of judgement, as the days are only increasingly becoming more wicked, and more deceptive, where many are calling good evil, and evil good.
Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Michelle,
What do you mean when you say "Billy Graham should know better, if he was truly saved"?
I guess if you were in his position, you would slam everyone and tell them what they are doing is wrong. That's a really good way to witness, tell them they are all wrong and going to hell. How about loving people to Christ? It doesn't mean we condone it. What if a homosexual came into your church, are you going to throw the Bible at them and tell them they are going to hell? What about opening your arms to them, loving them, and letting the Spirit deal with them? Of course you don't tell them the life they are living is ok, but you don't start hammering people, talk about making them run the other way.
What do you mean when you say "Billy Graham should know better, if he was truly saved"?
I guess if you were in his position, you would slam everyone and tell them what they are doing is wrong. That's a really good way to witness, tell them they are all wrong and going to hell. How about loving people to Christ? It doesn't mean we condone it. What if a homosexual came into your church, are you going to throw the Bible at them and tell them they are going to hell? What about opening your arms to them, loving them, and letting the Spirit deal with them? Of course you don't tell them the life they are living is ok, but you don't start hammering people, talk about making them run the other way.
I knew it she is diety---NOT! Seems to me I have finally figured out Michelle, we have had it wrong for so long. It is not the KJV that is her final authority, it is not the Holy Spirit, It is not the Son, It is not even the Father. It is Michelle, she is her own final authority in all things. She cannot be deceived because she has attained godhood, sounds a little mormonistic.
Bro Tony
Corrine,
Your post at 2:29p.m.is very troubling. Have you ever heard of spin? You talk in circles. Where does it say in the Bible that we can do it once, but not twice? I have been told the people that believe you can loose your salvation will eventually start grasping for straws. I think you are doing that.
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Your post at 2:29p.m.is very troubling. Have you ever heard of spin? You talk in circles. Where does it say in the Bible that we can do it once, but not twice? I have been told the people that believe you can loose your salvation will eventually start grasping for straws. I think you are doing that.
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Better believe it. Amazing that we Christians are supposed to be a family in Christ, loving each other, confident that we are all going to go and meet our Father in Heaven one day. Instead of that, what you see here is Christians wanting to impose beliefs other than the common belief that we share (that Christ is God) on each other, Christians attacking each other and slandering each other (to call the Pope a satanist is a bit far-fetched).
Nice.
Why not accept that we have something in common which is going to save us, regardless of the differences in our theologies and praying ways?
Why aren't we able to examine the topic under all its facets without so many negative emotions?
We all believe in Christ so none of us here has been spiritually deceived. We are all in the same boat.
Now how do we get that boat to float? How do we learn to live together as a family?
When the demons attack us in the flesh, kill our sons and daughters, and persecute us, who are we going to run to if not toward each other?
Corinne
I knew it she is diety---NOT! Seems to me I have finally figured out Michelle, we have had it wrong for so long. It is not the KJV that is her final authority, it is not the Holy Spirit, It is not the Son, It is not even the Father. It is Michelle, she is her own final authority in all things. She cannot be deceived because she has attained godhood, sounds a little mormonistic.
Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]Homo Divinus has arrived. Let us rejoice ! LOL
Seriously, I think that when we get to a stage where the Catholic Pope is called a "satanist", we should seriously revise our notion of what a Christian is.
Corinne
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Well, the Holy Spirit within me tells me every day that Christ loves me, and I only talk back. Where do you have a problem with that?
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No, I don't see this as being unbiblical. What you stated however, in your last post, is unbiblical. You do not keep yourself in Christ. It is Jesus Christ himself who keeps you.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Well, the Holy Spirit within me tells me every day that Christ loves me, and I only talk back. Where do you have a problem with that?
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No, I don't see this as being unbiblical. What you stated however, in your last post, is unbiblical. You do not keep yourself in Christ. It is Jesus Christ himself who keeps you.
love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
Corinne,
You are absolutley right, why then are you on this board? You have to know that almost all Baptist believe in Eternal Security. The largest evangelical denomination in America is Southern Baptist.
Once we are in heaven none of this will matter. For myself, it is something I lived with for 23 years, I know all of the differing views. I will be married for 30 years next year, and I am happy to say that my husband now believes in Eternal Security. I was always brought up to believe that once a person was saved, they were sealed, secure, righteous in God's sight. I never really knew why, just that, that was the way I was brought up. But now I understand fully, and it makes so much sense. Like Charles Stanley, who was brought up Pentecostal said, "It is so liberating to know that my future is secure".
Gotta go to Cape shopping!
I know that I will see you in heaven Corinne.
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You are absolutley right, why then are you on this board? You have to know that almost all Baptist believe in Eternal Security. The largest evangelical denomination in America is Southern Baptist.
Once we are in heaven none of this will matter. For myself, it is something I lived with for 23 years, I know all of the differing views. I will be married for 30 years next year, and I am happy to say that my husband now believes in Eternal Security. I was always brought up to believe that once a person was saved, they were sealed, secure, righteous in God's sight. I never really knew why, just that, that was the way I was brought up. But now I understand fully, and it makes so much sense. Like Charles Stanley, who was brought up Pentecostal said, "It is so liberating to know that my future is secure".
Gotta go to Cape shopping!
I know that I will see you in heaven Corinne.
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I think I'm going to get my popcorn and pull up a chair...
Yours in Christ
Matt
Yours in Christ
Matt
Jesus says it can happen, it is only my personal opinion that if a believer were to stray and deny Christ, then realise his error and return to Christ, it is unlikely that he will keep straying and returning on a regular basis.
I do not condone flip flopping, I just believe Jesus when he says that he is happy when a lost sheep returns. How many times a sheep can stray and return, he does not say, therefore we can't say either. But I believe that someone who has tasted the joy of being a believer would find it difficult to change his/her mind on a regular basis, as it would raise serious questions as to his/her sincerity in the first place.
Corinne