Are Tea Partiers Racist?

[rbell]

When one of these people or others post on the BB and call people racist names or dehumanizing names I will accuse them. Nice attempt to derail the thread.

Oh, so Sharpton will have to post on the BB himself for you to deal with racism from the left.

Nice attempt to use intellectual dishonesty to your advantage.



And your "derail" charge is bogus. In post #17, I dealt with specific issues germane to this thread. Any comment? Or just more intellectual dishonesty from you? Any specific refutations of what I posted? Or will you come back with unrelated questions, homework assignments, another dodge...or your last resort, disappearance?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Oh, so Sharpton will have to post on the BB himself for you to deal with racism from the left.

Nice attempt to use intellectual dishonesty to your advantage.



And your "derail" charge is bogus. In post #17, I dealt with specific issues germane to this thread. Any comment? Or just more intellectual dishonesty from you? Any specific refutations of what I posted? Or will you come back with unrelated questions, homework assignments, another dodge...or your last resort, disappearance?

There are racist on both ends of the spectrum. Why don't you start a legitimate thread, with and article and link?

From Post #17

* Given its demonstrated influence, network coverage of the Tea Party has been minuscule

Matter of opinion. They seem to have gotten a lot of coverage in my area. I am not sure how much coverage you would consider enough.

* Such coverage is piddling compared to that lavished on protests serving liberal objectives. The Nation of Islam’s “Million Man March” in 1995, for example, was featured in 21 evening news stories on just the night of that march — more than the Tea Party received in all of 2009

I have no idea if you are correct on this or not. I was in China working at a university editing translated papers. I can say that the Million Man March received almost no coverage there. I doubt the Tea Party receives much coverage there either.

* Overall, 44 percent of network stories on the Tea Party (27 out of 61) suggested the movement reflected a fringe or dangerous quality.

I assume you have a link to this figure. I do think it is a fringe element. I doubt, taken as a whole, the movement is dangerous. One of the beauties of our system is it allows people to let off steam and that is healthy.

* The MSM cast the Tea Party as a gang of angry white people. This, despite the facts...
o Nearly one in six Tea Partiers are non-white, with education rates that are higher than the general population.

That means that 84% are white. I'd say that is a pretty large majority. Then I do not know who you included in the non-white group.

 

[Cutter]

That means that 84% are white. I'd say that is a pretty large majority. Then I do not know who you included in the non-white group.

Nothing odd here. Closely aligns with the National averages.
White persons, percent, 2008 79.8%
Black persons, percent, 2008 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2008 4.5%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2008 0.2%

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nothing odd here. Closely aligns with the National averages.
White persons, percent, 2008 79.8%
Black persons, percent, 2008 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2008 4.5%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2008 0.2%

Where do Hispanics fit into your percentages above?

 

[Cutter]

Here is the site that I lifted the data from.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

 

[rbell]

The beginning stats:

The MSM cast the Tea Party as a gang of angry white people. This, despite the facts...

• • Nearly one in six Tea Partiers are non-white, with education rates that are higher than the general population.
  • More info on demographics can be found HERE.

The first argument: "They're too white!"

That means that 84% are white. I'd say that is a pretty large majority. Then I do not know who you included in the non-white group.

The 2nd reply...thanks, Cutter:

Nothing odd here. Closely aligns with the National averages.
White persons, percent, 2008 79.8%
Black persons, percent, 2008 12.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2008 4.5%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2008 0.2%

The second argument: "Wait a minute! I'm a bit unclear on one of your statistics. Thus, you must be racist."

Where do Hispanics fit into your percentages above?

Crabby, basically it seems you have the following problem with the Tea Party movement: In CTB's words...

• "Forget the percentages...There are too many white folk."
• "Forget the percentages, there are not enough non-white folk."
• "Even though I can't be specific, and though their central goals are very much patirotic American in nature...these folks are 'fringe.' "

Guess that about covers it.

 

[rbell]

There are racist on both ends of the spectrum. Why don't you start a legitimate thread, with and article and link?

I did. I can't help it that you either can't, or won't, deal with an opposing opinion.

Matter of opinion. They seem to have gotten a lot of coverage in my area. I am not sure how much coverage you would consider enough.

I would say "fair treatment" would constitute "enough." Not holding my breath.

I have no idea if you are correct on this or not. I was in China working at a university editing translated papers. I can say that the Million Man March received almost no coverage there. I doubt the Tea Party receives much coverage there either.

Well, then...no wonder you're comfortable with MSNBC's coverage. Good ol' China...a paragon of free press, speech, and expression...

I assume you have a link to this figure. I do think it is a fringe element. I doubt, taken as a whole, the movement is dangerous. One of the beauties of our system is it allows people to let off steam and that is healthy.

The links were included, I believe, in that post.
What on earth is so "fringe" about...

• We are a group of concerned citizens who believe that our Federal Government is out of control fiscally and constitutionally as seen from policies enacted by White House administrations both past and present.
• We believe in the principles that our country was founded upon: Faith, Honesty, Reverence, Hope, Thrift, Humility, Charity, Sincerity, Moderation, Hard Work, Courage, Personal Responsibility, Gratitude.
• We believe America is the greatest country on earth and God put us here to set the example and lead the rest of the world. We are not to follow after failed socialistic/humanistic states.
• We stand together against big government, loss of personal and religious freedoms, and socialistic practices.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I would say "fair treatment" would constitute "enough." Not holding my breath.

Does that mean the media has to agree with your opinion?

Well, then...no wonder you're comfortable with MSNBC's coverage. Good ol' China...a paragon of free press, speech, and expression...

I was lucky. That is the summer when I am told most of the media spent most of their time on the O.J. Simpson trail or should I say circus. I head almost nothing in China on this topic.

I am not sure there are any national that are paragons of free press. If you want I can tell you a story on when I became very skeptical of the press being really free here.



The links were included, I believe, in that post.
What on earth is so "fringe" about...

• We are a group of concerned citizens who believe that our Federal Government is out of control fiscally and constitutionally as seen from policies enacted by White House administrations both past and present.
• We believe in the principles that our country was founded upon: Faith, Honesty, Reverence, Hope, Thrift, Humility, Charity, Sincerity, Moderation, Hard Work, Courage, Personal Responsibility, Gratitude.
• We believe America is the greatest country on earth and God put us here to set the example and lead the rest of the world. We are not to follow after failed socialistic/humanistic states.
• We stand together against big government, loss of personal and religious freedoms, and socialistic practices.

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There is nothing wrong with those ideas. It is how they are carried out that may make the group seem like a fringe group.

If you are really against personal freedoms being lost then surely you do not like the Arizona law.

 

[righteousdude2]

Bigot # 2 Has Spoken...

Calling people by the name of an insect is considered hate speech and is one of the aspects of the third step in justifying genocide
...

If Scripture is not referring to the enemies of Israel "insect names, than tell me what they are doing in Judges and Jeremiah?

You seem to have established yourself as the go-to, know-it-all guy on the board, so give me your honest, intellectual answer on the theology of calling the enemies of Israel, "locusts" and how it doesn't fit your litmus test for my so called cockroach statement.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If Scripture is not referring to the enemies of Israel "insect names, than tell me what they are doing in Judges and Jeremiah?

You seem to have established yourself as the go-to, know-it-all guy on the board, so give me your honest, intellectual answer on the theology of calling the enemies of Israel, "locusts" and how it doesn't fit your litmus test for my so called cockroach statement.

I hope you, I and everyone does not conduct our lives by the OT, but by Christ's examples and teachings. God has revealed himself slowly and Christ is the greatest revelation. So, for its time the terms may have been all right within the context. However, under grace and Christ's teachings they are no longer all right. They are hate words used in some contexts and that is wrong and sinful, not at all righteous. Remember God so loved the world ... the world ... that means everyone and thus there is no room fro calling any hateful names.

 

[righteousdude2]

And the Stench Goes On...

The last time I saw twisting like that was an F-5 tornado in Oklahoma. :laugh:. Nothing like watching someone dangling on the end of their own rope.

... I doubt if you've been anywhere near an F-5, and in regard to the rope thing, you're about 4 inches short of having a rope long enough to hang anyone, let alone yourself.

With that said, your failed attempts to push my buttons does not make you any less the "hate-mongering, religious bigot" you have shown yourself to be, every time you make referrence to members on this board out to be a racist for opposing Obama, and now the illegal aliens.

HOWEVER, I'm no longer buying what you sell!

Oh, I'd advise that you keep you "rabbit trails" short, mpbigot, as your electrons are stinking up the forum.:applause:

:laugh:

 

[poncho]

Are tea partiers racist? On the whole I'd say no.

Quick lesson in political propaganda MP looks like you could use one about now.

The "race card" is meant to do three things. Silence and demonize opposition and to balkanize the citizenry. If you're not familiar with this concept let me splain.

The idea is to create division, doubt and even fear amongst a population in order to control opposition to those who rule.

Opposition is a threat to their rule. Especially if that threat is in the form of a fast growing grass roots movement like what some call the tea party.

So who rules the USA? The people? The politicians? Hardly. Bankers and mega conglomerated corporations do who just happen to also controll all the major television networks.

Having the people believe in a idea like limited constitutional government and sound money is about the biggest threat there is to their hold on power. So they seek to create division among those who share this idea.

How do they create division? Tossing out the "race card" is one way. the people who do this are the racists MP not the tea partiers who they accuse but they themselves. Why? Because they are constantly reminding us of our differences in order to keep us all into seperate bickering groups.

If we're all fighting amongst ourselves how are we suppose to get together to fight "city hall" and win?

The answer, we can't. And that's the whole idea.

 

[Eric B]

That's a good point, but I believe the concern is, that the Tea Partiers and conservative rhetoric in general, do often cross a line into racism. And it's often disguised or coded, like that Grasshopper analogy we recently debated, which has been passed around in conservative circles for at least a decade. Many do not even recognize the connotations of the language, yet "ditto" it and pass it around because it addresses their concerns about the government, and the American way of life. Yet then, they don't realize why it will strike people as racist.
It starts from being so self-protective and thinking everyone is out to get you, which we do see a lot in conservative rhetoric; the whole theme often; so they will naturally be on the attack against anyone outside the group. Some seem to think the nation or a specific political system is specially ordained by God, so that right there sort of puts them above others, who are seen as destroying God's established order.
So to people on the outside looking in, all of this is going to look completely bigoted, even if many in the gorup do not intend it that way.

So yes, the other side does play a "race card" to divide, (and I'm no fan of Sharpton, who I feel could have better spent his time attacking conservative perceptions such as the minorities draining the economy, yet instead gives credence to it by asking for reparations and such).
But at the same time, I believe that same force playing a race card is doing it both ways. They are probably somehow leading the other side to believe that the minorities are draining the economy. Think about it. If it's true that it's the corporations that are in control of all of this, they will want everyone to focus the attention somewhere other than on them. So they tell the Left that the problem is racism on the part of conservatives keeping people down, and they tell the Right that the problem is "reverse racism" on the part of the liberals draining the economy. Both sides then spout the rhetoric at each other, which then actually confirms the other side's premise in their view (that one side is just racist, and the other side just wants free handouts). And around and around it goes.

Meanwhile, the corporations get away with murder, and even when caught, people continue to blame each other, or the government. Nobody is thinking much of them, until it's too late. I hear Obama blamed for the bailouts, instead of the banks or auto companies themselves. Then, some will go as far as to say the "liberals" focus too much on corporate leaders, whom they see as on their side being persecuted by the government in favor of the "undeserving". So then, nothing will ever change, because people are lookign the wrong way for the problem.

As for the "cockroach" dispute, I think that is somewhat different than the locust reference in scripture, which does use the term "like", so it's not actually calling the people "locusts", and even when scripture does, such as Rev. 9, it's still an apocalyptic symbol, not an epithet against a race.

 

[Cutter]

When will all of you white people realize that you are racists. There are no two ways about it. Being white and being racist are inseparable. Every thought, every endeavor, every day you are a racist. It is your badge, albeit shameful. Accept it and apologize for it daily. Maybe all of you should wear the Scarlet "R" on your chest as an act of penance. Another thing, from now on when you are asked if you have an opinion on politics, religion, or any other issue whatsoever, please refrain from any type of response, because it will be discredited and refused since we will know that it is based in racism.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT. From now on all white people...uh, I mean racists are instructed to proceed to the nearest racism camp in your respective state. There you will be lobotomized so that your racist views will no longer be a factor in the world. If you choose to not report on your own, you will be rounded up and transported against your will to the local racist camp in your area.
Pick up your bumper sticker today:
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Please send to:
White Racists Eradicators
1000 Main St.
Washington 20004

 

[Magnetic Poles]

... I doubt if you've been anywhere near an F-5

And you'd be wrong again, as usual.

:laugh:

Well, aren't you just so adorable? How'd you get to be so doggone cute ?

 

[righteousdude2]

In Case You Didn't Know, I Am Praying For You...

And you'd be wrong again, as usual.

Well, aren't you just so adorable? How'd you get to be so doggone cute, ?

... I'm not upset, just grieving for you. Paul tells us in Galatians 5:25-26 - "Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other."

Earlier in the same chapter Paul tells us that, "the acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions , and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

My spirit is clear of any anger toward you. The Lord has shown me that and I am truly praying for you...

Finally, Paul tells us that, "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

I know my weaknesses mp - you have obviously tried to point them out to me and the world on this forum, fairness shall now befall you; and this is from the Word of God, not some cleaver provoking words from a brother that is truly hurting deep down within their shallow heart and mind - but, you continue to exhibit many of the negatives noted in this passage(in bold) and, you definitely lack the fruits mentioned (in bold) and I have been directed to pray for those who mock me, hate me, and scorn me!

For this reason I sincerely pray for your soul, and implore others on this board, who you have tried to hurt, to pray with me for your total repentance and change of heart toward those whom you disagree. It's OK to disagree with others, but, you don't "play nice!"

If you don't change the manner in which you treat so many on this board, it will soon be evident that the seeds sowed in your heart were seeds sowed in bad soil.

Matthew 13:3-9 - "Behold, the sower went out to sow; and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up. Others fell on the rocky places, where they did not have much soil; and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of soil. But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them out.... he who has ears, let him hear."

I felt it was time you had a lesson in how to treat others. The BOLD areas are those things I am asking the Lord to deliver you from!

Oh, I believe in "once saved, always saved... but, that only counts in the life of those who's seed fell upon the good soil!

Your Cyber-Brother,

Pastor Paul

 

[rbell]

RD2--I disagree with MP quite a bit, but some of your responses to him were over the top.

 

[righteousdude2]

Fair Observation

RD2--I disagree with MP quite a bit, but some of your responses to him were over the top.

But, what do you think was "over the top?"

 

[righteousdude2]

Borderline Heresy???

I hope you, I and everyone does not conduct our lives by the OT, but by Christ's examples and teachings.

I seem to remember that when Jesus was in the desert, and tempted by the devil, He personally quoted the OT on three different occasions. That was not the only time our Lord quoted and used words from the Prophets, and other OT writings to speak parables, teach the crowds, and above all, his Disciples. Also, I seem to remember that Peter, Paul and John quoted the OT in their writings in an effort to teach the church regarding issues in how to follow, live for, and conduct their walk through this life as a believer in Christ.

THEREFORE, if the OT was good enough for not only the NT leaders, BUT, the Lord Himself, than your words, in this post, take you right to the borderline of heresy. I implore you to turn back before it's too late!

In other words, the majority of Christ's teachings, and those of the Disciples, as well as the Apostle Paul, were spiritually guided and supernaturally built upon the teachings and lessons from the OT. Brother, you can't live by one Testament only! Both of these books make up what we, the church, have been calling "The Holy Bible" for some 2,000 years now.

And, what say you???

Shalom,

Pastor Paul :type:

 

[Alcott]

I hope you, I and everyone does not conduct our lives by the OT, but by Christ's examples and teachings. ... the world ... that means everyone and thus there is no room fro calling any hateful names.

Then shall we follow the example of Christ and call people names like "generation of vipers" and "fox?"