Are Tea Partiers Racist?

[Magnetic Poles]

... I am so sorry to hear that you are one of his victims. No one, on a Christian Board/forum, deserves to be disrespected for making their views known.

If they include calling a group of human beings "cockroaches" they do deserve to be called out on it. Glad you boys can have a pity party together. Victim? Poor babies. As Curtis would say, time to get your "big boy pants" on.

This is not Christ-like, and it is not the reason this board was started.

But calling folks "cockroaches" and PMing me to tell me to go to hell, IS? Pastor, you have a log in your eye big enough to build an ark with.

When you finally can stay on topic and get over your self pity, I look forward to your lucid contributions. I feel I will sadly be waiting a long time.

 

[sag38]

Oh no, I've just been called a "victim and a cry baby" by MP. My feelings are so hurt!!! :tear:

RD2 let me put it in more simple terms. Ignore him!!!

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Oh no, I've just been called a "victim and a cry baby" by MP. My feelings are so hurt!!! :tear:

Still having reading comprehension problems, I see. It was your buddy who said you were victimized.

 

[sag38]

Ok, I'll take back the victim part. But, my feelings are still reeling from being called a cry baby!!

 

[Dragoon68]

... It is not that all teapartiers are racists...or that it is a racist group...but that they attract a larger than proportional percentage.

I don't know if it's true or not. I think not from those I know but I don't know for sure about everyone.

However, apply the same evaluation to an different organization - one with a typical makeup of blacks let's say - and then see how the allegation of racism fairs in the general media.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I don't know if it's true or not. I think not from those I know but I don't know for sure about everyone.

However, apply the same evaluation to an different organization - one with a typical makeup of blacks let's say - and then see how the allegation of racism fairs in the general media.

If the basis of the correlation was racial makeup, you would have a point. But that is not the case. From the article:

When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.

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But thanks for at least addressing the article in the OP rather than going for the derail. :thumbs:

 

[Revmitchell]

PMing me to tell me to go to hell,

I am sorry to hear that.

 

[righteousdude2]

Never Claimed to BE Without Sin...

If they include calling a group of human beings "cockroaches" they do deserve to be called out on it. Glad you boys can have a pity party together. Victim? Poor babies. As Curtis would say, time to get your "big boy pants" on.

But calling folks "cockroaches" and PMing me to tell me to go to hell, IS? Pastor, you have a log in your eye big enough to build an ark with.

When you finally can stay on topic and get over your self pity, I look forward to your lucid contributions. I feel I will sadly be waiting a long time.

AGAIN... I am not without sin, especially when it comes to you and the many times you have provoked me into anger. And, it should not be forgotten that I have APOLOGIZED to you for the times you provoked me to say things out of anger (so, please quit bringing up the past to make you look like a victim). So, why have you never apologized for PROVOKING, and making me angry. It is LONG overdue.

THEREFORE: It is time for you to look into your heart, and honestly ask yourself why you have taken on an all out war to discredit me, provoke me to anger, and be a spiritual stumbling block for me. If you believe that I'm unstable (as you've stated numerous time now) and need to get help, THAN why are you constantly PROVOKING me to anger??? That is not what Jesus would do, and if the seed sown in your heart truly fell on fertile ground, it is not something that you would be doing either!

I really fear that if you don't repent and change (in regard to your hateful ways) it will become evident that the seeds sown in your heart may turn out NOT to be the kind of seeds sown in rich, fertile soil.

Matthew 13:3-9 - "Behold, the sower went out to sow; and as he sowed, some seeds fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate them up. Others fell on the rocky places, where they did not have much soil; and immediately they sprang up, because they had no depth of soil. But when the sun had risen, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. Others fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked them out.... he who has ears, let him hear."

What would be best for the BB. is for you to stay on topic, and simply post comments that attack my stated opinion... and "cease and desist" attacking me personally.

Therefore, without sounding redundant..... NO, I'm not upset with you, MP, I'm just grieving for you. Paul tells us in Galatians 5:25-26 - "Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other."

Earlier in the same chapter Paul tells us that, "the acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions , and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

My spirit is NOW clearer than it has ever been in regard to dealing with the likes of you. Any anger I may have had toward you is in the past. Scripture has shown me just how wrong I was to retaliate - in the same manner that you attack me - and how badly you must need my prayer! I was wrong for getting angry and unleashing verbal retaliation for your mocking, bullying, and provoking me. Rest assured that in the future, I'll be praying for you, not attacking you in any way, manner, or, form....

Now, back to the Word... Paul tells us that, "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

I know my weaknesses - mp - you have obviously tried point them out to me, and the entire board, every chance you get. Therefore, in the name of fairness, it is now my turn to point out your sins, but, I'm doing it in conjunction with the Word of God. Your opinions of me have never been backed up by the Word; just innuendoes from your personal observations built on mocking accusations with the intent to provoke me, embarrass me, hurt me, and push buttons in order to elicit angry responses (for which I have apologized, but, refuse to do so any longer).

MP, you really need to look into the mirror of self examination and see what is causing you to exhibit such a rancid, relentless public hate for me. In my opinion, you are lacking some of the necessary fruits of the Spirit - noted in the above Scripture passage in BOLD print, but, that remains MHO.

STILL, the Word of God demands that I pray for those who mock me, hate me, and scorn me! So, I apologize to God for reacting to your provocations with anger, and in a true act of repentance, I will now go in a new direction when it comes to responding to people such as you.

For this reason, I will sincerely be praying for your soul and for your total humility to repent and change your heart. I've never been upset with you for disagreeing with me, but, you have refused to "play nice."

Oh, in case you may think I'm questioning your salvation, it is quite the opposite, I'm trying hard not to judge or question your standing with God. It's just that I'm finding it hard to understand how a person who says they're a believer can be so nasty, provoking and hateful to another believer.

Finally, you need to know that while I completely believe in "once saved, always saved..."; I also believe that those who are truly saved "once and for always", only applies to those who were like fertile ground when the seed was sown in their heart! Time has a way of separating the wheat from the tares!

Your Cyber-Brother,

Pastor Paul

 

[Magnetic Poles]

RD2 either get back on topic, or quit posting in this thread. If you wish to address me about a matter off topic, you can PM.

 

[righteousdude2]

So You CAn Post it Publically???

RD2 either get back on topic, or quit posting in this thread. If you wish to address me about a matter off topic, you can PM.

When I post you, you never acknowledge by apologizing. And you even cut and paste the things I PM to you, if it will make me look bad.

Can't PM you, because I can't trust you to keep it between us.

Let's just say, I'm hy-jacking your comments about me, until you man-up and apologize for the things you've insinuated about me in your many attempts to provke me.

You have the power to end this with a public apology for all of your sins against me. God knows my heart is clear, because I've apologized to you on more ocassions than I care to remember.

 

[Revmitchell]

Let it go.....

 

[righteousdude2]

What's the Topic, AGAIN???

:type:

Let it go.....

.... Rev. what was the topic, anyways???:laugh:

If the board will forgive me for getting off topic, I'll attempt to let this topic get back on track...

 

[Dragoon68]

If the basis of the correlation was racial makeup, you would have a point. But that is not the case. From the article:

When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.

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But thanks for at least addressing the article in the OP rather than going for the derail. :thumbs:

But, what if the questions are valid and the answers are more correct than not? Does that mean we call it racism or own up to it and try to fix it?

 

[Winman]

If the basis of the correlation was racial makeup, you would have a point. But that is not the case. From the article:

When read the statement that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites," 73 percent of the movement's supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up "without special favors," as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.

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But thanks for at least addressing the article in the OP rather than going for the derail. :thumbs:

What you fail to see here is that this poll also shows the bias of the non-TPs. A liberal will never say the blacks do poorly in school because they do not study as much as other groups like Asian-Americans who consistently score highest, even over white people. The reason Asian Americans consistently score higher than all other groups is because of their tight family structure and culture. They don't let their kids play video games or hang out in the street all night, they have them in their bedrooms studying, and they check the homework afterward! As a group they have a higher regard for education. The Jews are the same, they put much emphasis on higher education and therefore are far more likely to be economically successful than some other groups. This is the effect of culture.

But liberals will always blame others and not the persons who are truly responsible. They will say that African Americans are at a big disadvantage, they are not offered the same opportunities. There was a time when there was much truth to this, but not any longer.

Liberals are actually the biggest bigots around, and they over-compensate to hide it. They will say stupid things like, "I had an African American in my home last night, we even ate together!". Sounds stupid, but I have known people that will say dumb things like this.

So, no way a liberal is going to say that African Americans need to pull their families together and get more serious about education. No, they are going to blame others, especially white Americans.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

What you fail to see here is that this poll also shows the bias of the non-TPs. A liberal will never say the blacks do poorly in school because they do not study as much as other groups like Asian-Americans who consistently score highest, even over white people. The reason Asian Americans consistently score higher than all other groups is because of their tight family structure and culture. They don't let their kids play video games or hang out in the street all night, they have them in their bedrooms studying, and they check the homework afterward! As a group they have a higher regard for education. The Jews are the same, they put much emphasis on higher education and therefore are far more likely to be economically successful than some other groups. This is the effect of culture.

But liberals will always blame others and not the persons who are truly responsible. They will say that African Americans are at a big disadvantage, they are not offered the same opportunities. There was a time when there was much truth to this, but not any longer.

Liberals are actually the biggest bigots around, and they over-compensate to hide it. They will say stupid things like, "I had an African American in my home last night, we even ate together!". Sounds stupid, but I have known people that will say dumb things like this.

So, no way a liberal is going to say that African Americans need to pull their families together and get more serious about education. No, they are going to blame others, especially white Americans.

And what does your little diatribe have to do with the OP or the article? Not a doggone thing. Thanks for raising your hand, though.

 

[Eric B]

What you fail to see here is that this poll also shows the bias of the non-TPs. A liberal will never say the blacks do poorly in school because they do not study as much as other groups like Asian-Americans who consistently score highest, even over white people. The reason Asian Americans consistently score higher than all other groups is because of their tight family structure and culture. They don't let their kids play video games or hang out in the street all night, they have them in their bedrooms studying, and they check the homework afterward! As a group they have a higher regard for education. The Jews are the same, they put much emphasis on higher education and therefore are far more likely to be economically successful than some other groups. This is the effect of culture.

But liberals will always blame others and not the persons who are truly responsible. They will say that African Americans are at a big disadvantage, they are not offered the same opportunities. There was a time when there was much truth to this, but not any longer.

So, no way a liberal is going to say that African Americans need to pull their families together and get more serious about education. No, they are going to blame others, especially white Americans.

What people forget to take into consideration is that cycles of behavior from the past are hard to overcome. There were less opportunities; plus the so-called "separate but equal" education was not so equal, and blacks did work hard and were still marginalized. Eventually, the children find that they can get over on crime and public assistance. Why work then, like their parents did?
Once set in that pattern, it is hard to get out of it. You are used to it. And it's hard to afford good education (specifically, college, which is now basically required to succeed). Then it's hard to find a decent job once they look at the background. This system is geared so that "those that got, shall get, those that not shall lose" (the total butchering of the parable of the pounds/talents reference that basically reflected experience in the song "God Bless the Child"). And it's much more competitive and costly since the time Irish, Jews and others pulled themselves up. All of this is overlooked.

While just throwing money a the situation may not be the answer, still, just think, how do you actually get a whole group of people to just up and change, and start taking edication seriously and bulld strong families? That's the same as asking how do you get the nation saved (for those who believe in free will). You can't; because it's individual choice, and you can't make people choose something; especially when the culture they are in is pointing them the other way. So what ends up, is that the conservatives just want to scold the race for it, compare them to the lighter skinned people who "did the right thing", and soon it does come off as self-righteous prejudice. Why else could one suppose that this one group have so many problems others do not have? There are plenty of groups out there who would love to fill in the blank, and ultimately, however they may phrase it, it boils down moral inferiority. And then, some will even connect this to genetic inferiority! (Remember "Bell Curve"; less than 2 decades ago? Same ultimate agenda; of cutting "social programs").

So this shows how easy to unwittingly blur the line between a legitimate claim, and racism.

Especially when; on the other hand, it's also overlooked that many blacks have pulled themselves up. The whole thing about all of these blacks floundering at the bottom, asking for handouts is overblown, and the claim of this draining the economy is outright false. So where I believe racism can legitimately be suspected is when people pass these claims around (and then paint the whole race that way), and the ultimate goal of it is to divert attention away from the powers who really are draining the economy. So it's basically divide and conquer. (And I include the liberals in this. Much of their campaigning over race is for their own goals, and further diverts attention from the real issues).

 

[Winman]

Especially when; on the other hand, it's also overlooked that many blacks have pulled themselves up. The whole thing about all of these blacks floundering at the bottom, asking for handouts is overblown, and the claim of this draining the economy is outright false. So where I believe racism can legitimately be suspected is when people pass these claims around (and then paint the whole race that way), and the ultimate goal of it is to divert attention away from the powers who really are draining the economy. So it's basically divide and conquer. (And I include the liberals in this. Much of their campaigning over race is for their own goals, and further diverts attention from the real issues).

I just don't buy your argument. Many groups had it plenty tough when they first came to this country like the Chinese and the Irish. They were not much better than slaves themselves, yet they rose above these obstacles.

And what I wrote is not a stereotype, it is reality. Even some black leaders have spoken out about black culture, Bill Cosby is probably best known for this.

Bill Cosby has been relentlessly attacked as a racist by his own people since speaking out about African Americans needing to take more responsibility for their families, education, and finances.

http://www.alternet.org/media/65306

Bill Cosby's New Book Full of Racial Stereotypes
Cosby's new book continues to tar black communities and the black poor as dysfunctional, chronic whiners, and eternally searching for a government hand-out.

I bet Bill Cosby is surprised that he is a racist against African Americans.

The liberals want to paint all white people as racists, primarily to enslave minorities. Minorities feel they must elect liberal politicians to protect them.

 

[rbell]

This article pretty much puts the kabosh on the "racist tea party" silliness...

SOURCE

Attempt #2 at an on-topic redirect.

Not to mention...I doubt there will be much of a rebuttal to this article. Pretty solid.

 

[Eric B]

I just don't buy your argument. Many groups had it plenty tough when they first came to this country like the Chinese and the Irish. They were not much better than slaves themselves, yet they rose above these obstacles.

And what I wrote is not a stereotype, it is reality. Even some black leaders have spoken out about black culture, Bill Cosby is probably best known for this.

Bill Cosby has been relentlessly attacked as a racist by his own people since speaking out about African Americans needing to take more responsibility for their families, education, and finances.

http://www.alternet.org/media/65306


I bet Bill Cosby is surprised that he is a racist against African Americans.

The liberals want to paint all white people as racists, primarily to enslave minorities. Minorities feel they must elect liberal politicians to protect them.

Bill Cosby makes a lot of good points, but the author of the site feels he has overgeneralized it to the entire race.

While Cosby is entitled to publicly air black America's alleged dirty laundry, there's more myth than dirt in that laundry. Some knuckleheads in black neighborhoods do kill, mug, peddle dope, are jobless untouchables, and educational wastrels. They, and only they, should be the target of wrath. But Cosby makes a Grand Canyon size leap from them to paint a half-truth, skewed, picture of the plight of poor blacks and the reasons and prescriptions for their plight. The cornerstone of Cosby mythmaking is that they are crime prone, educational losers, and teen baby making machines.

The heart wrenching and much played up news shots and specials of black-on-black blood letting in Philadelphia, New Orleans, and a handful of other big cities and the admission that blacks do have a much higher kill rate than young whites tell a tale of out-of-control, lawless blacks. The truth: homicides and physical assaults have plunged among black teens to the lowest levels in the past two decades.

Then there is the black teen girls as baby making machine myth. The truth: The teen pregnancy rate among black girls has sharply dropped during the past decade. And they continue to fall.

The biggest myth that young blacks empty out the public schools, fill up the jails and cemeteries, and ridicule learning as acting white has risen to urban legend rank. The truth: The U.S. Dept. of Education found that in the decades since 1975, more blacks had enrolled in school, had improved their SAT scores by nearly 200 points and had lowered their dropout rate significantly. It also found that one in three blacks attended college, and that the number of blacks receiving bachelors and masters degrees had nearly doubled. A survey of student attitudes by the Minority Student Achievement Network, an Illinois-based educational advocacy group in 2002 and confirmed in other surveys, found that black students were as motivated, studied as hard, and were as serious about graduating as whites.

I've heard some of Cosby's criticisms, and to me it came across more like "if the shoe fits...", and was a good message. I didn't really pick out anything that would deny the bold points. But then I haven't read his books. So it might simply be a matter of interpretation. Yes, some people will rebuff any criticism as an attack. (However, this is another flaw often painted onto the whole race; just like what he's pointing out here).

However those on the conservative side do tend to paint the whole race in a broad stroke, and then someone like Cosby they hold up and say "see; we're right about yall!". Again, they might not be interpreting it right either.

Again, if you're going to compare blacks to those other groups, and say the circumstances were just as tough (and then confidently appeal to "reality" as if that justifies any conclusion drawn), then the question arises, why did only the blacks flounder? I don't see any way out of that beyond some sort of judgment on the whole race, or recognition of particular circumstances they faced.

And I don't see most liberals painting the white race the same way. They might criticize economic inequity, and conservative policies that favor business, and a few may mention there being less blacks in the power bases, but you can't put all those together as a judgment against the white race. Most liberals blame economics more than anything else, and even King in his final years came to see that that was the real issue besides race. So they may have then looked to socialism, but that is a criticism of capitalism, not the white race. (And don't forget, most of the "liberals" are white themselves!)

 

[carpro]

Are Tea Partiers Racist?
No more so than rank and file democrats.