Are There Any Verses That Show Predestination to Hell?

[Alan Gross]

They don't say He does . They have a confession which tells them " God is not the author of sin " . That settles it for them .

"Satan and his angels in their original creation; the devil, our Lord says, "abode not in the truth", #Joh 8:44 which implies that he had been in the truth, though he continued not in it; in his allegiance and fidelity to God his creator; in his integrity, purity, and holiness, as a creature of veracity;

but framing lies, he became the father of them.

What he was in, but abode not in, is the "first estate", of integrity, innocence, and happiness, in which he was created, but kept it not, #Jude 1:6.

Satan and his fallen Angels, along with Mankind, "abode not", in their, "first estate".

They were Created, by God, and fell.

"I Creat evil".

God Created Creatures that sinned against Him.

God Did not sin. He can not.

Saved souls can be Taught that.

God Created and His Creation became Evil.

God's Creation, who fell, sinned.

The issue with Satan and His Angels, with regard to Predestination is that NONE of them were Predestined to Salvation.

In that same respect, NONE of MANKIND, YOU & I, NOR OUR GRANNY, COULD HAVE BEEN PREDESTINED to SALVATION.

WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT?

"Leaving us to Go to Hell?"

That is what God has done to some, to make His Glory known.

Lost people DO..NOT..LIKE..THAT.."GOD"...

 

[Yeshua1]

"Satan and his angels in their original creation; the devil, our Lord says, "abode not in the truth", #Joh 8:44 which implies that he had been in the truth, though he continued not in it; in his allegiance and fidelity to God his creator; in his integrity, purity, and holiness, as a creature of veracity;

but framing lies, he became the father of them.

What he was in, but abode not in, is the "first estate", of integrity, innocence, and happiness, in which he was created, but kept it not, #Jude 1:6.

Satan and his fallen Angels, along with Mankind, "abode not", in their, "first estate".

They were Created, by God, and fell.

"I Creat evil".

God Created Creatures that sinned against Him.

God Did not sin. He can not.

Saved souls can be Taught that.

God Created and His Creation became Evil.

God's Creation, who fell, sinned.

The issue with Satan and His Angels, with regard to Predestination is that NONE of them were Predestined to Salvation.

In that same respect, NONE of MANKIND, YOU & I, NOR OUR GRANNY, COULD HAVE BEEN PREDESTINED to SALVATION.

WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT?

"Leaving us to Go to Hell?"

That is what God has done to some, to make His Glory known.

Lost people DO..NOT..LIKE..THAT.."GOD"...

the final state of the redeemed will be greater then what would have received if Adam had never chosen to sin!

 

[SavedByGrace]

What Calvinist holds that God authors sin?

those who framed the Westminster Confession of Faith, and those who accept what it teaches!

 

[Yeshua1]

those who framed the Westminster Confession of Faith, and those who accept what it teaches!

I agree with the 1689 LBCF, and do not see where it supports that God Himself sinned by authoring evil and sin!

 

[Barry Johnson]

I hold to the scriptures first and foremost, and the 1689 Confession, so still looking for the calvinists who attributes sin to being directly caused and determined by God!

Catholics hold to the bible and something else also .

 

[Barry Johnson]

The only ones who might would be so call Hyper Cals

I'm not sure if Hyper cals exist ? where are they ?

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm not sure if Hyper cals exist ? where are they ?

primitive Baptists!

 

[AustinC]

Catholics hold to the bible and something else also .

So do you. You just make yourself the catechism creator and determiner of correct doctrine.

 

[Reynolds]

The only ones who might would be so call Hyper Cals

Actually what you call "hyper" are the true Cals. You are a watered down Cal.

 

[Reynolds]

What Calvinist holds that God authors sin?

They dont. They double speak.
God Ordains Whatsoever Comes to Pass, Including Your Suffering

 

[Barry Johnson]

Actually what you call "hyper" are the true Cals. You are a watered down Cal.

Yeah that was my point.

 

[Yeshua1]

So do you. You just make yourself the catechism creator and determiner of correct doctrine.

VERY few Christians are bible only, in the sense use nothing else!

 

[Yeshua1]

Actually what you call "hyper" are the true Cals. You are a watered down Cal.

watered down eh? I hold the same as an RC Sproul did in regards to salvation proper, and doubt he was watered down anything!

 

[Yeshua1]

They dont. They double speak.
God Ordains Whatsoever Comes to Pass, Including Your Suffering

So the answer would be "none"

 

[Reynolds]

watered down eh? I hold the same as an RC Sproul did in regards to salvation proper, and doubt he was watered down anything!

You are watered down.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are watered down.

That assumes that the Hypers are biblical!

 

[AustinC]

Meh, @Reynolds is just grumpy because fellow synergists aren't as Arminian as he would like and monergists don't tend to be Arminian. Therefore it's lonely in his world.
Come to the Light my friend. Come to the Light. [emoji2936][emoji2935]

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I think something that gets me is that I was the token wicked scoffers of the Bible five years ago. I mean, don't you remember a period of impossible wickedness followed by faith, the Holy Spirit coming upon you and a forever changed life due to the Gospel?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I think something that gets me is that I was the token wicked scoffers of the Bible five years ago. I mean, don't you remember a period of impossible wickedness followed by faith, the Holy Spirit coming upon you and a forever changed life due to the Gospel?

Or perhaps thinking you weren't so bad, maybe even good, only to have God's Spirit break in so that your perception changed entirely? How many of the wicked are not proud, self-righteous? Seems even believers struggle with this afterward.

 

[Craig Hooker]

Yes and no. A true Calvinist embraces double predestination. If there are only two options, Heaven and Hell then any verse that supports single predestination to heaven conversely supports double predestination.

True, understanding one is passive and one is active.