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annsni

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Michael Wrenn said:
[edit] did you become an expert at it somewhere along the way?
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Michael - I'm sorry but your doctrine is in error and that is what Iconoclast is pointing out. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe but understand it is neither what the Bible teaches nor what orthodox Christianity has taught since the beginning. So what you will find here at Baptist Board is complete opposition to that belief.
 
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Alive in Christ said:
John Spong???

Well, he certainly is a heretic, but good grief I thought he died DECADES ago! Wasnt he one of the ones who put together that heresy ridden "Jesus Seminar" back in the 80's?.
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The right Rev., Bishop Spong is alive & well & still living in good Ole New Jersey....only the Episcopals would have ever taken this wing nut & made him a bishop.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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annsni said:
Michael - I'm sorry but your doctrine is in error and that is what Iconoclast is pointing out. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe but understand it is neither what the Bible teaches nor what orthodox Christianity has taught since the beginning. So what you will find here at Baptist Board is complete opposition to that belief.
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Annsni is correct! Thanks for cutting thru it all :thumbs:
 
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glfredrick

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Michael Wrenn said:
From the CAC website, here are my views on Hell:

"Hell

The word translated "eternal" in relation to hell in the New Testament does not mean eternal in the original languages, but rather means an "eon," or "age," -- a long, indefinite period of time. My view of the duration of hell does not embrace an unconditional universalism, an unconditional eternal hell, nor annihilationism. My view could be summarized as follows: In principle, separation from God can be final. A person could so misuse his freedom that he might lose his freedom to respond to God. He could turn his back on God for so long that he might no longer hear God calling him. Therefore, to deny the possibility of an eternal hell would be to limit man's freedom.

However, we have grounds for believing that God does not alter His saving activity toward those who have died. For instance, 1 Peter 3:18-20 and 4:6 strongly suggests that the apostolic mind thought that change is possible in the life beyond. Thus, the ancient practice of prayers for the dead does not have to imply a belief in purgatory; it could be done on the basis of the belief that God, directly and through those who serve Him, continues to seek those who have closed themselves off from God. If this is true, then the door to hell is locked only from the inside. For these reasons, I believe that the door to repentance is never closed -- neither in this life, nor in the next."

I am not God, so I don't pretend to know all about the afterlife.
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Michael, it is all rather simple. Bow down before Holy God TODAY, beg Him to save you, then do what comes next. You have contrived all sorts of ways to get around the fact that without God you have no hope, including some concept that even if you die and go to hell that you will yet have hope of exercising your will AGAINST God. Good luck with that. Can't see it happening that way.
 
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glfredrick

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Michael Wrenn said:
[edit] did you become an expert at it somewhere along the way?
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Icon has merely shared the truth that is found in the Word of God. Calling him an outright liar is not Christian behavior. No one has called YOU a liar, even in the midst of some radical departures from orthodox Christian doctrine. We BELIEVE that you hold those doctrines. We also believe that you are sincerly wrong and we are willing to do TWO things for you -- show you the way from the Scriptures and pray that God would cause you to repent in faith.
 
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Michael Wrenn

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annsni said:
Michael - I'm sorry but your doctrine is in error and that is what Iconoclast is pointing out. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe but understand it is neither what the Bible teaches nor what orthodox Christianity has taught since the beginning. So what you will find here at Baptist Board is complete opposition to that belief.
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He didn't say that I was in error, he said I was inventing my own church and my own god. So, I accurately called him a liar.

You might be surprised what "orthodox" Christianity taught from the beginning. There was a lot more diversity in the early church and in the fathers of the first three centuries than what people want to admit -- or maybe they are ignorant of this fact.

Regardless, I defy anyone to read the CAC Statement of Principles and say I'm a radical or liberal. If I had to characterize myself, it would be moderate or moderate-conservative. Of course to extreme fundies, anyone to the left of Westboro Baptist Church is a liberal.

http://www.celtic-anabaptist-ministries.com/celtic-anabaptist-communion.html
 
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Michael Wrenn

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glfredrick said:
Michael, it is all rather simple. Bow down before Holy God TODAY, beg Him to save you, then do what comes next. You have contrived all sorts of ways to get around the fact that without God you have no hope, including some concept that even if you die and go to hell that you will yet have hope of exercising your will AGAINST God. Good luck with that. Can't see it happening that way.
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I am already saved; I accepted Jesus as my Savior long ago. You'd better concern yourself with your salvation.

BTW, I thought it was against forum policy to question a person's salvation. Or does that not apply to Calvinist fundamentalist fanatics?
 
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Michael Wrenn

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glfredrick said:
Icon has merely shared the truth that is found in the Word of God. Calling him an outright liar is not Christian behavior. No one has called YOU a liar, even in the midst of some radical departures from orthodox Christian doctrine. We BELIEVE that you hold those doctrines. We also believe that you are sincerly wrong and we are willing to do TWO things for you -- show you the way from the Scriptures and pray that God would cause you to repent in faith.
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Oh, yes, I have been called a liar on several occasions! The Biblicist has done it more than once.

It's one thing to tell someone he is wrong; it's quite another to tell him he has "made up" his church and his god, and that he is not saved. That is self-righteous and totally untrue. And you dare to tell me my behavior is not Christian? What self-righteous hypocrisy coming from some of you here! The only appropriate response to such false drivel is to call it what it is [edited]
 
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Alive in Christ

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Annsni...

I'm sorry, but Michael Wren had every right to call Iconocalst a liar.

We may not agree with everthing Michael Wren posts, but he is not creating his own God, and creating his own church.

He simply has some different convitions then we do. Guess what? That is perfectly OK

Regarding brother Iconoclast. I have about given up on him.
 
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Michael Wrenn said:
She is not correct, and you are someone to be talking about it. [edit]
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No no .....your a wing nut! Very amusing but a wing nut none the less. Perhaps you'd feel more at home as a Greek Orthodox or some other sect that fits into your fanciful world view at the moment.....however you have more than convinced me that there are screws loose in that knoggen of yours....honestly, you are laughable.:laugh:
 
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mandym

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Michael Wrenn said:
She is not correct, and you are someone to be talking about BS. You spout so much of it that it would take a chainsaw to cut through it.
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What is [edit] ?
profanity.
Romans 16:19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
 
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Amy.G

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Alive in Christ said:
Annsni...

I'm sorry, but Michael Wren had every right to call Iconocalst a liar.

We may not agree with everthing Michael Wren posts, but he is not creating his own God, and creating his own church.

He simply has some different convitions then we do. Guess what? That is perfectly OK
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It's "ok" to believe that a person can be saved after they've gone to hell? That's just one of his unorthodox beliefs.
 
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