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evangelist6589

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PreachTony said:
And we're not in a seminary environment. What do you think MacArthur's book is going to teach me about Lordship Salvation that I don't already know? I've heard his sermons. I've read his articles. I've heard others comment on it. I've listened to Paul Washer run down churches like mine for not believing the doctrine he holds to. I have told you before that I do not find Lordship Salvation to be a Biblically sound doctrine. I've told you before how I view it as a works-based form of salvation.

Reading a book by John MacArthur is not going to change my mind. It's not going to change how I discuss and debate this issue. You have decided that only those with a certain level of education, as judged solely by you, are worthy of debate. I don't mind debating and discussing with you, Evan. But now I find out that, even though I know the LS issue well enough to discuss, I'm no longer wanted in your discussion threads because I haven't read certain books.

We don't have tests and quizzes around here. I've always thought of this forum as a place of debate and discussion, and hopefully a place where we can each grow in the faith by, as I stated to American Dream earlier, "iron sharpening iron." If we follow your example, then we seriously limit those we can hold good, edifying discussion with, simply because we have judged them unworthy to be involved, based on a metric we create for ourselves and enforce on ourselves. Is that really the type of Christian you want to be? If you go out and do your open-air preaching, and someone questions you on Lordship Salvation, do you try to explain it to them, or do you tell them to run down to Barnes and Noble and pick up some books by John MacArthur and come back later once they've read them?
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In an evangelism context I will explain it to people which means to surrender and submit (2 Cor 5:17) and then I point them to the books of James, 1 John, etc. Regarding Non Calvinists I do not debate LS with them on the streets.
 
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Baptist Believer said:
Lordship salvation is more correct than what is rightly disparaged as "easy believism," but it is not entirely the biblical view.

Lordship salvation assumes that the gospel is about "getting saved" and going to heaven. It is not. The biblical call to discipleship to Jesus is the call to enter the Kingdom of God and find eternal life in an interactive relationship with the Triune God.

And yes, I have read the book by John Mac, as well as the rebuttals such as, "So Great a Salvation." I was in the early phases of my Christian walk when those books first came out and it was the topic of conversation when I was in college earning a theology degree.
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Can you explain your disagreements? Thanks..
 
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JamesL said:
I'm curious, and I ask in all sincerity...

Have you read any seminary level books about the Emerging Church, Joel Osteen, and other positions with which you disagree?

Oh, and as far as books...

Most Doctoral theses are turned into books. If you want to get the bull by the horns..... How many dissertations have you read?
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Yes I read Dan Kimballs book on the topic and I also read The Truth War by Mac both undergraduate level. Joel Osteen? Do you know of any books solely on him? If not why are you defending Joel Osteen?
 
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JamesL said:
After telling us of your great accomplishments.

Love you, bro. For real
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I am a slave of God as all christians should be and yes this book defends LS. I am also a street evangelist as seek to win the lost as christians should be.
 
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Don said:
Someone tell me: was this meant to be a joke, or a sarcastic set-up for the following rant about LS? I think I missed the facetiousness tag....
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A joke, but you know even though I have not read any books on this topic I am still an expert.
 
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evangelist6589 said:
In an evangelism context I will explain it to people which means to surrender and submit (2 Cor 5:17) and then I point them to the books of James, 1 John, etc. Regarding Non Calvinists I do not debate LS with them on the streets.
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Why not? I mean, you obviously have a strong enough understanding of LS to debate it with just about anyone...so why don't non-Cals warrant your time on this issue?
 
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PreachTony said:
Why not? I mean, you obviously have a strong enough understanding of LS to debate it with just about anyone...so why don't non-Cals warrant your time on this issue?
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Because its a secondary issue and I do not debate secondary issues on the streets. I seek to reach and win the lost! I do not send any letters to churches that disagree with LS neither.
 
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evangelist6589 said:
Did you all know that I have a very valuable opinion on Cyber security? I am very qualified on this topic and know more than the experts whom I strongly disagree because my opinion is right and others are wrong.

The same can be said of LS. Are you qualified to speak on it? If so what are your qualifications? Have you read a book on LS and looked at all the Bible passages the author speaks of? I said book not sermon, as books IN GENERAL are far more in-depth. Yes I am aware that some books are the product of a series of sermons.

In a college classroom the professor would have you read a book on LS and tests and quizzes will come from your reading. You disagree? Then you will fail the class. I am no longer going to debate with people whom lack the qualifications on LS. The Bible is very clear on this one and a deep examination of scripture surely shows LS to be correct. You disagree? Are you qualified to disagree?
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So according to your logic, even though the bible says we are not saved by works, I must read books and do extensive study on Roman Catholicism before I can proclaim it as false?
 
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The American Dream said:
Oh Lordship Salvation? That is in error of Scripture. That's about all there is to say.
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Now, American Dreamer, don't go telling Evan6589 that you get your theology strictly out of the Bible. :smilewinkgrin:

Don't you know you must read books about theology by Reformed, Way of the Master and dispy Calvinist writers? Otherwise you are unqualified to speak on any subject!
 
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Once again Evan is showing his disregard for the Bible in favor of man made books. (Oh and and according to the OP I can say that because I have read cover to cover all the Mac books he sites). The Bible is our authority not a book by Mac. And I would rather discuss theology with someone who has read the Bible over and over and over again then someone who has never read it cover to cover and has to run to the book of the week to make his argument.
 
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I must say that I have been following this thread with a sense of amusement.
 
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Revmitchell said:
This, in no way, justifies your op.
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Go chase a Rabbit

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