Are you qualified to speak?

[evangelist6589]

Did you all know that I have a very valuable opinion on Cyber security? I am very qualified on this topic and know more than the experts whom I strongly disagree because my opinion is right and others are wrong.

The same can be said of LS. Are you qualified to speak on it? If so what are your qualifications? Have you read a book on LS and looked at all the Bible passages the author speaks of? I said book not sermon, as books IN GENERAL are far more in-depth. Yes I am aware that some books are the product of a series of sermons.

In a college classroom the professor would have you read a book on LS and tests and quizzes will come from your reading. You disagree? Then you will fail the class. I am no longer going to debate with people whom lack the qualifications on LS. The Bible is very clear on this one and a deep examination of scripture surely shows LS to be correct. You disagree? Are you qualified to disagree?

 

[Revmitchell]

And the arrogance abounds. Good grief. I will tell you what, when you have been personally discipled by a pastor come back and talk to us. Until then you have no credibility. Your posts are infantile and your doctrine is sophomoric at best.

 

[The American Dream]

And the arrogance abounds. Good grief.

I did not respond because not sure what LS is.

 

[JamesL]

I feel honored to have a thread devoted to me.

 

[PreachTony]

The same can be said of LS. Are you qualified to speak on it? If so what are your qualifications? Have you read a book on LS and looked at all the Bible passages the author speaks of? I said book not sermon, as books IN GENERAL are far more in-depth. Yes I am aware that some books are the product of a series of sermons.

In a college classroom the professor would have you read a book on LS and tests and quizzes will come from your reading. You disagree? Then you will fail the class. I am no longer going to debate with people whom lack the qualifications on LS. The Bible is very clear on this one and a deep examination of scripture surely shows LS to be correct. You disagree? Are you qualified to disagree?

So you are now limiting debate to only those you believe are "qualified" to discuss these things on your level? When it comes to a rather open internet forum, like this one, you don't get to decide who is qualified enough to discuss certain issues. Some people are going to talk about a topic, whether they know anything about it or not. Some people know a lot, but refuse to talk about certain topics. It's not for you to decide.

I've debated LS with you, but I've never read a book about it. I've studied it online, and reviewed the scriptures that LS proponents claim reveal their theology. I still don't see it. Given that I don't see it in the Bible, or in the online research I've done, I assume you believe I do not know enough about the topic to be worthy of debate with you. I don't always agree with Rev, but that is pretty dadgum arrogant.

 

[PreachTony]

I feel honored to have a thread devoted to me.

We should petition the mods to change this thread title to the JamesL Memorial "You Don't Know Jack about Lordship Salvation" Thread.

 

[The American Dream]

Oh Lordship Salvation? That is in error of Scripture. That's about all there is to say.

 

[JamesL]

Oh Lordship Salvation? That is in error of Scripture. That's about all there is to say.

What are your credentials for making such an outlandish claim? You need to have some type of training course you've gone through at least twice

 

[PreachTony]

Oh Lordship Salvation? That is in error of Scripture. That's about all there is to say.

What are your credentials for making such an outlandish claim? You need to have some type of training course you've gone through at least twice

Yeah, AmericanDream, who are you to question this doctrine? What books have you read that detail it out?

 

[JamesL]

We should petition the mods to change this thread title to the JamesL Memorial "You Don't Know Jack about Lordship Salvation" Thread.

You ain't right, man

 

[Deacon]

I'm disqualified.
I don't know jack about Mac.

Rob

 

[PreachTony]

You ain't right, man

I ain't never claimed to be right, man... :smilewinkgrin::thumbsup:

 

[HAMel]

I am extremely humbled by merely pondering the awesomeness and the depth of one's knowledge as indicated by the OP.

"LS"..., and here I thought "LS" referred to the 2015 Lexus "LS" luxury sedan.

Maybe der' is folks so bright you gotta cover their heads in the mornin' so's da' sun can shine through. :thumbsup:

 

[The American Dream]

What are your credentials for making such an outlandish claim? You need to have some type of training course you've gone through at least twice

James you seem like an angry person. Why not focus on the issue instead of the person, You have no idea what my qualifications are or who I am. I am surprised you are still here and allowed to make such a post. The reason I oppose Lordship salvation is that it is a works Gospel. Peter, David, Moses and numerous other men of God in the Bible were saved and committed what we would consider pretty bad sins. We are saved by grace through faith alone. It does not say by grace through faith with a level of behavior the proponents of Lordship salvation approve of.

 

[The American Dream]

Yeah, AmericanDream, who are you to question this doctrine? What books have you read that detail it out?

The Bible .........

 

[PreachTony]

James you seem like an angry person. Why not focus on the issue instead of the person, You have no idea what my qualifications are or who I am. I am surprised you are still here and allowed to make such a post. The reason I oppose Lordship salvation is that it is a works Gospel. Peter, David, Moses and numerous other men of God in the Bible were saved and committed what we would consider pretty bad sins. We are saved by grace through faith alone. It does not say by grace through faith with a level of behavior the proponents of Lordship salvation approve of.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the "goings on" here at the BB, but there is a long-standing discussion (shy of a feud) about certain folks who hold to LS and Calvinism seeming to think they are better than others. This is not to say Free-Willers and Arminians do not fall likewise into such an attitude, but there is a history, especially with Evan. See, Evan tends to treat those who don't read as many commentaries as he does as somehow not as well learned in theology.

Your position on LS is one that I think several of us agree with, though we all might word our feelings on the matter differently. I personally believe Lordship Salvation is just another disguise for Calvinism, and contains a high degree of works-based salvation. It treats salvation as an on-going event, which is not something I hold to. I believe salvation is a one-time event, upon which the believer is sealed unto the day of redemption. There is no push make Jesus Lord over every aspect of your life, because you cannot do that. Jesus is already Lord over every aspect of your life, whether you like it or not.

Also, several of us around here use a lot of sarcasm. There isn't really a sarcasm font, so you have to use context. You're still kind of new here, so you'll catch on. :smilewinkgrin:

The Bible .........

That is all you ever need, friend.

 

[The American Dream]

Preacher Tony,

Yes from my limited experience here, it seems to be a lively conversation. I am an administrator of a forum somewhat larger than this one, for the expressed purpose of exposing false teachers and doctrines. One of those doctrines is LS. We have no real problems with the Arminian Calvin debate because it is very civil. We take people like Kenneth Copeland and Robert Tilton to task. We show the differences between the RCC, LDS, COC, JWs and others and Scripture. What we do not tolerate, and only one warning given is to either question someone's salvation, or attack the person instead of the issue.

 

[Rolfe]

I personally believe Lordship Salvation is just another disguise for Calvinism, and contains a high degree of works-based salvation. It treats salvation as an on-going event, which is not something I hold to. I believe salvation is a one-time event, upon which the believer is sealed unto the day of redemption. There is no push make Jesus Lord over every aspect of your life, because you cannot do that. Jesus is already Lord over every aspect of your life, whether you like it or not.

I do not wish to derail this thread, but this statement prompts me to ask what is probably a simple question.

If Lordship Salvation is works-based and ongoing, according to the belief, can salvation be lost?

As I understand it, LS is one of those doctrines that cannot be easily defined because everyone has different opinions about what it is.

 

[PreachTony]

Yes from my limited experience here, it seems to be a lively conversation. I am an administrator of a forum somewhat larger than this one, for the expressed purpose of exposing false teachers and doctrines. One of those doctrines is LS. We have no real problems with the Arminian Calvin debate because it is very civil. We take people like Kenneth Copeland and Robert Tilton to task. We show the differences between the RCC, LDS, COC, JWs and others and Scripture. What we do not tolerate, and only one warning given is to either question someone's salvation, or attack the person instead of the issue.

We've dealt with that here before, as we had one member actually say that Arminians who don't hold to Doctrines of Grace as the gospel are unsaved. We might get lively and question each other's doctrines, but we do not question salvation. I'm a big fan of "iron sharpening iron." You'll see that the longer you hang around.

 

[PreachTony]

I do not wish to derail this thread, but this statement prompts me to ask what is probably a simple question.

If Lordship Salvation is works-based and ongoing, according to the belief, can salvation be lost?

As I understand it, LS is one of those doctrines that cannot be easily defined because everyone has different opinions about what it is.

I would love to hear an LSers take on this. I can only give you my take as a free will believer, which is that our salvation occurs as an experience of grace, after which we are led into our works, which are a result of our salvation, and not a cause of it. While I do not believe we can lose our salvation, I certainly believe we can backslide and miss out on the blessings that can accompany our salvation.

Any LSers willing to explain to us the Lordship Salvation position on the eternalness of salvation?