Ariz. may require hospitals to check citizenship

[Crabtownboy]

Yes, it is. Try reading it.

Give all of us a link. I believe you are very wrong. I have read the law. I posted it directly from the web site. There is nothing that you speak of. So, please show us where you get your information ... or is it simply opinion?

 

[carpro]

Give all of us a link. I believe you are very wrong. I have read the law. I posted it directly from the web site. There is nothing that you speak of. So, please show us where you get your information ... or is it simply opinion?

Go to post #160.

Any ID that the federal government will accept to get a social security card is acceptable , and then some.

Arizona's requiremenst are even less stringent than the Social security Administration.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Go to post #160.

Any ID that the federal government will accept to get a social security card is acceptable , and then some.

Arizona's requiremenst are even less stringent than the Social security Administration.

You have given a nice list. Now give us a link to that information so we can see if it really applies to the law.

Anyway, this law will cause the admission process to be longer than it is now ... and so suffering from pain will be longer.

 

[rbell]

But how about sending me $1200 so I can give it to four students here who come from very poor circumstances in Eastern Europe. I will not use it. They have need of it.

I didn't know you were in favor of individual charity.

I thought you favored the government confiscating the money, and then re-distributing it as they saw fit.

 

[sag38]

What ever happened to Magnetic Poles? True, he was a bleeding heart with an attitude but at least he shot straight (no homework assignments, posting and running, etc.). I'll take him as our resident liberal any day of the week over what we have now.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

What ever happened to Magnetic Poles? True, he was a bleeding heart with an attitude but at least he shot straight (no homework assignments, posting and running, etc.). I'll take him as our resident liberal any day of the week over what we have now.

At least you've got me.

 

[carpro]

At least you've got me.

You're not a challenge.:wavey:

 

[sag38]

I haven't forgotten about you Paul. You are a lot nicer than MP. He's called me and others all kinds of names, questioned our intelligence, etc. It's rather funny. Then again maybe I don't miss him that much but he's better than what we are getting now (not referring to you Paul).

 

[Crabtownboy]

I didn't know you were in favor of individual charity.

I thought you favored the government confiscating the money, and then re-distributing it as they saw fit.

You read into posts what you want I guess. I do not believe I have ever made such a statement. You need to take your dark glasses off and see what people are really saying. I have said there would be no need of government programs if churches were really doing their job of caring for people. Individual charity is always better. There is not a heavy freight charge of paying administrators when individual charities and churches do their job. Now there is a really liberal idea.

Why don't you make an online donation to the seminary here in Prague so they can continue the work of educating Central and Eastern Europeans in spreading the gospel to the lost? There are more Ph.D. students here than in any seminary in Europe. It would be a great loss to Baptists if the seminary had to close and that witness lost. Also you can take the donation off your income tax.

Let me know and I will send you the information on how to do this via a private message.

 

[freeatlast]

You read into posts what you want I guess. I do not believe I have ever made such a statement. You need to take your dark glasses off and see what people are really saying. I have said there would be no need of government programs if churches were really doing their job of caring for people. Individual charity is always better. There is not a heavy freight charge of paying administrators when individual charities and churches do their job. Now there is a really liberal idea.

Why don't you make an online donation to the seminary here in Prague so they can continue the work of educating Central and Eastern Europeans in spreading the gospel to the lost? There are more Ph.D. students here than in any seminary in Europe. It would be a great loss to Baptists if the seminary had to close and that witness lost. Also you can take the donation off your income tax.

Let me know and I will send you the information on how to do this via a private message.

[SIZE=+0]I have heard that about the church and the government every since I have been a Christian and to be honest I cannot find a single thing in the NT that teaches that the church is suppose to be the welfare provider of the world. Yes if we have extra, but that is not our calling. Our calling is to win souls and teach those new souls to live for the Lord and HE will provide, not the church. The church is to care for its own, not the world. [/SIZE]
While providing some needs for the needy can be a great evangelistic tool if not careful it can become a crutch ending up causing more harm then good.

I hope this new proposal of the law passes and Texas gets on board and starts arresting prosecuting, and sentencing these illegals and deporting them after their serve their time.

 

[Crabtownboy]

[SIZE=+0] I cannot find a single thing in the NT that teaches that the church is suppose to be the welfare provider of the world. [/SIZE]

Really?
Passages from the New Testament:

35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’

"Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" Matthew 19:21

"Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys." Luke 12:33

"But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind." Luke 14:13

"In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor." Acts 9:36

"Cornelius stared at him in fear. What is it, Lord?' he asked. The angel answered, Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God.'" Acts 10:4

"On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.'" Romans 12:20

"For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem." Romans 15:26

"All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do." Galatians 2:10

"Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need." 1 Timothy 5:3

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James 1:27

"Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, 'Here's a good seat for you,' but say to the poor man, 'You stand there' or 'Sit on the floor by my feet,' have you not discriminated among yourselves and becomes judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom He promised those who love Him? But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?" James 2:2-6

"If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth." 1 John 3:17-18

 

[freeatlast]

Really?
Passages from the New Testament:

Those are all for the individual not the church. Also they are not for carrying the individual. They are intended to fill an immediate gap, not be a welfare system for the world. However since you brought them up let me ask you this.
Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys

Are you doing this or are you just giving from your excess? You don't own any land, or property or have any savings do you. I hope not if you want to point to these passages as the rule for the church.

 

[sag38]

One has to take a giant stretch of the scripture to interpret this as referring to government welfare. Plus, someone needs to get the huge beam our of his self righteous eye.

 

[Crabtownboy]

One has to take a giant stretch of the scripture to interpret this as referring to government welfare. Plus, someone needs to get the huge beam our of his self righteous eye.

Please, someone needs to comprehend what is being said in reply to an entry. I was showing that there are plenty of verses in the NT showing that Christians and, thus, the church are admonished to take care of others in need. No giant stretch ... just taking Jesus' words and Paul and others seriously.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Those are all for the individual not the church. Also they are not for carrying the individual. They are intended to fill an immediate gap, not be a welfare system for the world. However since you brought them up let me ask you this.
Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys

Are you doing this or are you just giving from your excess? You don't own any land, or property or have any savings do you. I hope not if you want to point to these passages as the rule for the church.

I knew you were going to reply in the way you did. Individuals make up the church .... so individuals together are responsible for helping those in need ... very elementary to the teachings of Jesus.

 

[freeatlast]

I knew you were going to reply in the way you did. Individuals make up the church .... so individuals together are responsible for helping those in need ... very elementary to the teachings of Jesus.

No on is saying that we should not help the needy when we can and when we run into them. But there is no command to become the welfare system of the world. Even the Lord rebukes the multitudes for coming for nothing but Him feeding them. Our calling is to spread the gospel and train them to do the same. Not feed the world. We can use that to help spread the gospel but it is not our main agenda and the church should not be condemned for not doing it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

No on is saying that we should not help the needy when we can and when we run into them. But there is no command to become the welfare system of the world. Even the Lord rebukes the multitudes for coming for nothing but Him feeding them. Our calling is to spread the gospel and train them to do the same. Not feed the world. We can use that to help spread the gospel but it is not our main agenda and the church should not be condemned for not doing it.

As I have said numerous times before, if churches and Christians were doing what Jesus taught there would be no need for the government to step in and help. But ......................

 

[matt wade]

As I have said numerous times before, if churches and Christians were doing what Jesus taught there would be no need for the government to step in and help. But ......................

If individuals weren't lazy bums there wouldn't be a need for either to step in.

 

[Aaron]

Really?
Passages from the New Testament:

Hmmm. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine. —Jesus

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Excellent, Aaron.