Arrogance of changing Scripture

[John of Japan]

HUMANIST

noun
1. a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

2. a person devoted to or versed in the humanities.

3. a student of human nature or affairs.

4. a classical scholar.

5. (sometimes initial capital letter) any one of the scholars of the Renaissance who pursued and disseminated the study and understanding of the cultures of ancient Rome and Greece, and emphasized secular, individualistic, and critical thought.

6. (sometimes initial capital letter) a person who follows a form of philosophical or scientific humanism. ​

Not in "any way, shape or form"?
[just teasing]

Nope. I follow the Bible, not human principles. (Care to source your mistaken definition?

 

[loDebar]

And those are still people on the earth that angels are not tasked with helping. And what about the rest of the passage: fatherless people, those who need justice, etc. Again, these are the things judges are tasked with, not angels.

It is not on earth, verse 1

I am not a Manifest sons of God, not sure what that is,

Sinners lost the ability to fellowship wuth God, even though ir existed or we could not be RE deemed or Re conciled. When were are saved we can have that fellowship again as Father , Our legal rights as sons of God are restored.

Charismatics are misguided and usually silly non believers.

The verses are not irrelevant,

Let me explain, When was the earth without form and in darkness?
Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Psa 82:5
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Psalms 82 happened before man was formed

 

[loDebar]

Nope. I follow the Bible, not human principles. (Care to source your definition? It's mistaken.

you do not realize it

Can the fallen angels be saved?

 

[loDebar]

HUMANIST

noun
1. a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

2. a person devoted to or versed in the humanities.

3. a student of human nature or affairs.

4. a classical scholar.

5. (sometimes initial capital letter) any one of the scholars of the Renaissance who pursued and disseminated the study and understanding of the cultures of ancient Rome and Greece, and emphasized secular, individualistic, and critical thought.

6. (sometimes initial capital letter) a person who follows a form of philosophical or scientific humanism. ​

Not in "any way, shape or form"?
[just teasing]

/Jesus said if the physical keeps you from the Kingdom of God remove it. We certainly have that, Most church services are about being good human beings,

 

[John of Japan]

It is not on earth, verse 1

I am not a Manifest sons of God, not sure what that is,

Sinners lost the ability to fellowship wuth God, even though ir existed or we could not be RE deemed or Re conciled. When were are saved we can have that fellowship again as Father , Our legal rights as sons of God are restored.

Charismatics are misguided and usually silly non believers.

Then stop teaching their false Latter Rain doctrine of the "manifest sons of God." You are using the exact same flawed exegesis of the Charismatic heretics: "Earl Paulk, Charles Capps, Robert Tilton, Kenneth Copeland, and Kenneth E. Hagin are among the leading televangelists who espouse the 'little gods' teaching" ("Ye Shall Be As Gods," by Walter Martin, Ch. 5 in The Agony of Deceit, p. 90). That doctrine has destroyed many lives.

Actually, as I remember, you spent much of your life in India. You should be able to recognize this "little gods" teaching in Hinduism.

The verses are not irrelevant,

Let me explain, When was the earth without form and in darkness?
Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

These are not the verses I said were irrelevant. Please pay attention.

Psa 82:5
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Psalms 82 happened before man was formed

The foundations of the earth being "out of course" is not the same as a setting of before they existed. That should be self-evident.

 

[atpollard]

As a man, who condemned me?

Our thoughts and actions condemn us:

Romans 1:18-21 NASB

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.​

We condemn ourself:

Romans 2:1-2 NASB

1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God [fn]rightly falls upon those who practice such things.​

The LAW will condemn us:

Romans 2:12-16 NASB

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do [fn]instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.​

 

[John of Japan]

/Jesus said if the physical keeps you from the Kingdom of God remove it. We certainly have that, Most church services are about being good human beings,

Not the church where I go. It is presumptuous of you to make these general statements as if they were true everywhere. i daresay not even most Baptist church services are "about being good human beings," and I've probably been in hundreds of churches as a missionary.

 

[TCassidy]

HUMANIST

noun
1. a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

2. a person devoted to or versed in the humanities.

3. a student of human nature or affairs.

4. a classical scholar.

5. (sometimes initial capital letter) any one of the scholars of the Renaissance who pursued and disseminated the study and understanding of the cultures of ancient Rome and Greece, and emphasized secular, individualistic, and critical thought.

6. (sometimes initial capital letter) a person who follows a form of philosophical or scientific humanism. ​

Not in "any way, shape or form"?
[just teasing]

Wow! That is the most dishonest definition of "Humanism" I have ever seen.

Here is the real definition:

hu·man·ism
ˈ(h)yo͞oməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.

 

[John of Japan]

you do not realize it

What is it I don't realize? Don't be obtuse.

Can the fallen angels be saved?

Again, you are being completely irrelevant. I really don't care if fallen angels can be saved or not. It doesn't concern me.

 

[TCassidy]

It is the errors and bias inherit in humanistic teaching that has become within Christianity.

Huh? What does that mean? What "humanistic teaching that has become [SIC] within Christianity?"

It is difficult when we have been taught our self importance.

Who has been taught our self importance? You? If you are in a church that teaches self-importance you need to run, don't walk, RUN to the nearest exit! You are in a false church. Get out while you still can!

 

[Yeshua1]

it can be summed up as over importance for the Human condition, no importance in the spiritual, It is inverted. We are spiritual beings assigned a human body , place and time, to hear the Gospel. We all agree we will continue to exist as spirits after death, I believe we existed before humanity as spirits. This bias is very entrenched, especially in translations or explanations of scripture.

As an example, TCassidy has commented on the disparity shown in Gen 1:1 that the original Hebrew scripture DOES NOT start with a mention of the creation of the universe or the earth but we all have been taught it does.. WHY? Because the spiritual sinful beings were here exiled here before man existed.. It becomes important when acceptance of elohyim is understood

Your viewpoint on us existing as spiritual beings before being born here on earth is Mormonism 101, and is NOT in the Bible, and would be classified as being heretical doctrine....
In the beginning , only God existed, He alone is eternal, he then created angels, and then mankind.
Humans have their souls created when conceived of inrthe womb, not coming down from heaven to enter into physical bodies now!

 

[loDebar]

Huh? What does that mean? What "humanistic teaching that has become [SIC] within Christianity?"
Who has been taught our self importance? You? If you are in a church that teaches self-importance you need to run, don't walk, RUN to the nearest exit! You are in a false church. Get out while you still can!

no church Ted.,

Can a fallen angel be saved?

 

[loDebar]

Wow! That is the most dishonest definition of "Humanism" I have ever seen.

Here is the real definition:

hu·man·ism
ˈ(h)yo͞oməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
an outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.

that is a fine definition. yes, no consideration of the spiritual

 

[atpollard]

Nope. I follow the Bible, not human principles. (Care to source your mistaken definition?

It was Dictionary.com (the first I clicked on a Google search).

Merriam-Webser offers something similar:

Definition of humanism
1a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture
b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis onsecular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance
2: devotion to human welfare : humanitarianism

• renowned for his humanism

3: a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially : a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason

 

[John of Japan]

If you believe they can't, as some have said here, you call God a liar.

I find this statement to be hugely offensive. Just because someone disagrees with you on a very minor point of theology, you think they are calling God a liar?

It is relevent because they are elohyim

Prove it.

 

[loDebar]

Not the church where I go. It is presumptuous of you to make these general statements as if they were true everywhere. i daresay not even most Baptist church services are "about being good human beings," and I've probably been in hundreds of churches as a missionary.

Our thoughts and actions condemn us:

Romans 1:18-21 NASB

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.​

We condemn ourself:

Romans 2:1-2 NASB

1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 And we know that the judgment of God [fn]rightly falls upon those who practice such things.​

The LAW will condemn us:

Romans 2:12-16 NASB

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do [fn]instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.​

who pronounced us condemned? who is the judge?

more to the point you were not flesh and blood when condemned, according to Jesus

 

[loDebar]

It was Dictionary.com (the first I clicked on a Google search).

Merriam-Webser offers something similar:

Definition of humanism
1a : devotion to the humanities : literary culture
b : the revival of classical letters, individualistic and critical spirit, and emphasis onsecular concerns characteristic of the Renaissance
2: devotion to human welfare : humanitarianism

• renowned for his humanism

3: a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values; especially : a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason

note def 3. rejects supernaturalism, yet we know we are spiritual beings , more than a human

 

[loDebar]

Your viewpoint on us existing as spiritual beings before being born here on earth is Mormonism 101, and is NOT in the Bible, and would be classified as being heretical doctrine....
In the beginning , only God existed, He alone is eternal, he then created angels, and then mankind.
Humans have their souls created when conceived of inrthe womb, not coming down from heaven to enter into physical bodies now!

no, probably more old Rabbi's teaching. The Mormons beieve All must come to earth , but We clearly know only sinners are here

 

[loDebar]

Huh? What does that mean? What "humanistic teaching that has become [SIC] within Christianity?"
Who has been taught our self importance? You? If you are in a church that teaches self-importance you need to run, don't walk, RUN to the nearest exit! You are in a false church. Get out while you still can!

I recognize you church teaching from your posts. Does your church promote that Gen 1 does not mention the creation of the universe?

 

[atpollard]

who pronounced us condemned? who is the judge?

"GOD" (Romans 2:2 among others)

more to the point you were not flesh and blood when condemned, according to Jesus

Jesus said no such silly thing.
I told you you needed to read that verse in context or you were going to draw silly conclusions.