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Arthur W. Pink, HyperCalvinist

ParticularWife

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People call people hyperCalvinist for many reasons aside from this. I myself said that this was the strict definition of the term, and it applies to virtually nobody. But the Calvinistst who call you hyperCalvinist for supralapsarianism or denying the well meant offer, even though you believe in open proclamation of the Gospel, will not say that is the many theologians like Pink and Kuyper who believed these things.
A lot of people are just milquetoast on things that make them uncomfortable, and this is why I don't argue with people about it. I already know their arguments and I'm not interested in repeating myself. Especially since it's usually arguing with an imaginary version in their head of what I actually believe. I am really not interested in discussing this anymore, frankly.
 

JD731

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The non biblical doctrine embraced by all Calvinists, the sovereignty of God, is the greatest heresy among the Reformed. After the creation God has expressed himself in complete sovereignty twice, with one time left. Those times were the judgement of the world in Noah's day when he judged the world for their sins by destroying all sinners. Next, it was at the cross where he judged all sinners with death but one man received the penalty of God as the substitute for all men. Next, it will be when he judges the world and purges the world of all sinners who have not come to him through his substitute. This in preparation for the righteous rule of Jesus Christ over the whole world in the day of the Lord judgement.

Except for these times the providence of God has been his way and men have done as they pleased.

Ec 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Ps 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Get rid of this doctrine and Calvinism will go away, IMO.
 

DaveXR650

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"God knows the force of opposition which his grace will encounter in each heart, and the amount of spiritual influence necessary to overcome it. He gives or withholds that influence at his pleasure. He has his own rule of acting in this matter--a rule infinitely wise and good. With full knowledge how his rule will affect every particular case, he perseveres in acting according to it, however men may cavil: and the rule which infinite wisdom adopts must be the best; nor can it be any objection to it, that infinite wisdom knows perfectly its final result."
Alan, I'm not that familiar with his writings but he seems to be pretty balanced. And I especially liked the above paragraph. Thanks for putting that up.
 

KenH

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the sovereignty of God

The Bible teaches that God is absolutely, totally sovereign.

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, As the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Isaiah 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

You say that you, and every other human being, are absolutely, totally sovereign, except for three instances.

I believe the Bible, and I fully stake the welfare of my soul on God as He has revealed Himself in the Bible.
 

DaveXR650

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The non biblical doctrine embraced by all Calvinists, the sovereignty of God, is the greatest heresy among the Reformed.
JD. You know what they say about how everyone is using the same word but different dictionaries. Some reformed believe that if God is not the actual primary cause of every minute thing that happens then he is not sovereign. But others believe that God can allow men whatever degree of freedom he chooses and still be sovereign. Men certainly do horrible things and without it being God's desire for their behavior. But God is still over them all the while and will dispose of them when and as he sees fit or limit their actions or change their hearts as Ken mentioned above. In addition, all his plans will come to pass as he sees fit, whether on a large or small level. You believe that too I'm sure. Otherwise, why pray for anything or anybody?
 

JD731

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The Bible teaches that God is absolutely, totally sovereign.

Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, As the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Isaiah 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

You say that you, and every other human being, are absolutely, totally sovereign, except for three instances.

I believe the Bible, and I fully stake the welfare of my soul on God as He has revealed Himself in the Bible.
Pink and other Calvinists and all the books and articles that have been mentioned here have one thing in common, though there might be disagreement on other things. They all promote the sovereignty of God in all the affairs of men. All the Calvinists who are posting here believes this doctrine. Those who are not Calvinists understands that God acts sovereignly when he wants to. He cannot be put into a box.
 

percho

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And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Matt 19:24-26

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

I'm hyper enough to believe, if God don't do it, it, ain't going to get done.
 

John of Japan

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In the Belcher biography there is no record of how he got saved. Apparently Pink never witnessed about his salvation. It just says, "He dated his salvation from the year of 1908, when he was twenty-two years of age" (p. 18). I have read many, many biographies of Christians, and am reading one now, the biography of Ron "Patch the Pirate" Hamilton by his wife. (Very well written.) Never have I read another biography where you could not tell how the subject got saved.

I also cannot find a place in the book where God called Pink to full time service. That's also strange. I can tell you exactly how I got saved, and I can tell you exactly how God called me to preach and then to be a missionary. Did Pink try (emphasize "try") to pastor without a call?

Folks, if you have to read Calvinist theology, there are plenty of great books out there without these very large difficulties. Surely you can do better than Pink!!
 

John of Japan

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More about Pink's untold salvation experience: "What transpired in his room those several days was never divulged by Pink. Obviously, he was converted to Christ, but what went on in his mind, and the spiritual battle that was fought, was never clearly spelled out for the readers of his periodical" (Belcher, p. 22).

Folks, if you are not witnessing for Christ, telling folks how you got saved, you are not right with God, Calvinist, Arminian or in between. We are commanded to witness, to tell folks the Gospel. There are two times in Acts where the Apostle Paul gave his testimony. We are to do so also.

But Pink thought he was sufficient within himself. "He came to the conviction that God is the primary teacher and that man really needs no one else to teach him" (p. 28). This is so arrogant. Comparing himself to Christ, who learned directly from the Father, Pink believed that he "needed no human instrument to teach him" (Ibid.). Folks, I'm 73 now, but I am currently taking a week long DMin class on Baptist Polity for which I sit 7 hours a day, and am glad to learn from a wonderful seminary prof from whom I've took 4 or 5 MA level classes. If you ever think you are too good to learn from any human being, you think yourself to be too good. I hope the Lord never lets me stop learning from good men of God. However, to Pink, "Education is an altar which is now thronged by a multitude of idolatrous worshippers" (p. 30).

This is not Calvinist or Arminian, it is simple Christianity.
 

Martin Marprelate

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In the Belcher biography there is no record of how he got saved. Apparently Pink never witnessed about his salvation. It just says, "He dated his salvation from the year of 1908, when he was twenty-two years of age" (p. 18). I have read many, many biographies of Christians, and am reading one now, the biography of Ron "Patch the Pirate" Hamilton by his wife. (Very well written.) Never have I read another biography where you could not tell how the subject got saved.

I also cannot find a place in the book where God called Pink to full time service. That's also strange. I can tell you exactly how I got saved, and I can tell you exactly how God called me to preach and then to be a missionary. Did Pink try (emphasize "try") to pastor without a call?

Folks, if you have to read Calvinist theology, there are plenty of great books out there without these very large difficulties. Surely you can do better than Pink!!
I think perhaps you need to read the Iain Murray biography. I have not read the one by Belcher, but it seems somewhat incomplete, and perhaps a bit antagonistic towards its subject. I only just became aware of the A.W. Pink Archive, awpink.org but here is an extract.

"Called “one of the most influential evangelical authors in the second half of the twentieth century” by Iain Murray. Arthur Walkington Pink was born in Nottingham, United Kingdom, in 1886, to Thomas and Agnes Pink. Despite growing up in a faithful Christian household, Pink rebelled at his parents faith and embraced Theosophy. He ambitiously climbed the cult’s ranks, being noted as an promising leader of the movement in England, before being challenged by the words of Proverbs 14:12 as he prepared a talk for the Theosophy society in his family home. For three days, Pink did not leave his room to join his family, but on the late afternoon of the third day, he emerged converted. He then proceeded to give his final talk at the society, whereupon he proclaimed Christ from Romans 1:16."

That seems to me to be a very dramatic conversion and a very bold testimony to me. Murray reports that it was his father who quoted Proverbs 14:12 to him.

I also want to take issue with this quotation from Belcher:
But Pink thought he was sufficient within himself. "He came to the conviction that God is the primary teacher and that man really needs no one else to teach him" (p. 28).
I have probably read more Pink than any other Christian author save Lloyd-Jones. All his books are stuffed full of quotations from older writers, especially, but by no means exclusively, the Puritans. He was also a great admirer of Spurgeon who died (IIRC) in 1892.

Pink had only one book published during his lifetime, The Sovereignty of God. All of his many other books were taken, after his death, from his monthly magazine, Studies in the Scriptures. Dr, Lloyd-Jones was a subscriber to this from 1942 until Pink's death. In a letter to Murray in 1945, M.Ll-J wrote: "Don't waste time reading Barth and Brunner. You will get nothing from them to aid you with preaching. Read Pink.
Books by Pink that I recommend are:
1. His biographies. Life of David, Life of Elijah (particularly recommended), Gleanings in Elisha. I found his 'Life of David' especially helpful when preaching through 1 & 2 Samuel.
2. His devotional books. Profiting from the Word (Often considered his best book), Gleanings from Paul (studies in Paul's prayers), A Guide to Fervent Prayer (studies in the prayers from the General Epistles).
3. Other works. The Satisfaction of Christ. The best book I have read on the Atonement. The Seven Sayings of the Saviour from the Cross. Wonderful expositions! Hebrews. A massive commentary, and my own go-to work on that book, although the layout is not very user-friendly. The Sovereignty of God. The seminal work on the subject.

Two of Pink's earlier works, Gleanings in Genesis (spoiled to a degree by his early adherence to the 'Gap Theory') and The Gospel of John (which I haven't read), are usually not recommended. Lastly, there is Studies in Saving Faith, which was re-printed by John MacArthur's organization. I hardly know whether or not to recommend it - it is the scariest book I have ever read! You end up asking like the Apostles. "Who then can be saved?"

It is impossible to excuse some of Pink's actions, like ceasing to attend church for the last 15 years of his life. However, we all fall short in many ways (James 3:2), and I believe there is much help to be gained from reading Pink. But often he was his own worst enemy. I end with a quotation from Iain Murray's (yes, him again!) biography of Lloyd-Jones Speaking of Lloyd-Jones' role in the resurgence of Calvinist understanding, he wrote:

"Dr. Lloyd-Jones certainly did not believe that discussion of the doctrines of grace should be carried on in an atmosphere of controversy. To present those doctrines in an argumentative way to Christians of a different understanding, or to make a direct attack on their beliefs and practices, is unlikely to be beneficial. He thought that A.W. Pink had made a mistake at this point and that in doing so he had lost an opportunity to influence numbers who were incapable of suddenly receiving meat in the place of milk.
Reflecting on this in later years, he was to say: "If I had behaved like Pink did, I would have achieved nothing; nothing at all. I could see that the only hope was to let the weight of the truth conince the people. So I had to be very patient and take a very long term look at things, Otherwise I would have been dismissed and the whole thing would have finished.'"
 

John of Japan

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@Martin Marprelate: Thank you for your helpful comments. I appreciate that you took the time and effort.

I have a PDF of Pink's Dispensationalism. I'm not impressed at all. He failed to understand the theology and failed to have Christian graciousness when critiquing it. In the authors I read I want understanding and Christian graciousness, both given by the Holy Spirit.

I don't consider failing to attend church for the last 15 years of one's life to be simply "falling short." It is disobedience, plain and simple, and I have no plans to read works written by authors who are that disobedient. (I will on occasion read or consult Calvinist authors. I have Gill's Body of Divinity, Chafer's Systematic Theology [4 points, I know], etc.) I am aware of Murray's biography of Pink, and one of these days will buy and read it.

Concerning Pink's salvation testimony, what you wrote from Murray is pretty much what Belcher wrote. It's not enough. One's salvation testimony can be such a blessing to other Christians, and even win folk to Christ. I led my first soul to Christ many years ago just telling him how I got saved.
 
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JD731

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JD. You know what they say about how everyone is using the same word but different dictionaries. Some reformed believe that if God is not the actual primary cause of every minute thing that happens then he is not sovereign. But others believe that God can allow men whatever degree of freedom he chooses and still be sovereign. Men certainly do horrible things and without it being God's desire for their behavior. But God is still over them all the while and will dispose of them when and as he sees fit or limit their actions or change their hearts as Ken mentioned above. In addition, all his plans will come to pass as he sees fit, whether on a large or small level. You believe that too I'm sure. Otherwise, why pray for anything or anybody?
Dave, just so you know, Jesus Christ, the all knowing and omnipotent God said to a group of men, who willingly and deliberately exercised their own desires over his, said of them these words;

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

What does this mean? It means that men who disobey God willfully and do their own things are acting in sovereignty. Why do you think Jehovah calls on gods to repent?

The Reformed, including the best teachers such as Lloyd-Jones, do not merely get all biblical doctrines wrong with the so called doctrines of grace, they get them backwards. I do not recommend trusting them with your spiritual well-being.
 

KenH

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Why do you think Jehovah calls on gods to repent?

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

"Repentance being represented as a command, does not suppose it to be in the power of men, or contradict evangelical repentance, being the free grace gift of God, but only shows the need men stand in of it, and how necessary and requisite it is; and when it is said to be a command to all, this does not destroy its being a special blessing of the covenant of grace to some; but points out the sad condition that all men are in as sinners, and that without repentance they must perish."

- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Acts 17:30
 

KenH

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34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Which is a reference to Psalm 82 regarding magistrates and judges.

"He constituted them judges and magistrates, invested them with such an office, by which they came to have this title; see Romans 13:1, and so our Lord interprets these words, that they were gods "to whom" the word of God came, which gave them a commission and authority to exercise their office, John 10:35, or rather "against whom" it came, pronouncing the sentence of death on them, as in Psalm 82:7, to which the reference is; declaring, that though they were gods by office, yet were mortal men, and should die.

- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on Psalm 82:6
 

Martin Marprelate

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Such a view undermines the distinctiveness of election, suggesting a universal salvific desire not supported by Scripture: All that the Father giveth me shall come to me (John 6:37)
Surely you should quote the whole of the verse? 'All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.' Spurgeon had a field day with this verse. '"Him that cometh to me." ... the man may have been guilty of an atrocious sin, too black for mention; but if he comes to Christ he shall not be cast out. He may have made himself as black as night - as black as hell ... I cannot tell what kind of persons may have come into this hall tonight; but if burglars, murderers and dynamite men (?) were here, I would still bid them come to Christ, for he will not cast them out. No limit is set to the extent of sin; any "him" in all the world - any blaspheming, devilish "him" that comes to Christ shall be welcomed. I use strong words that I may open the gate of mercy. Any "him" that comes to Christ - though he come from slum or taproom, betting-ring or gambling-hell, prison or brothel - Jesus will in no wise cast out.'
I am speaking this Lord's day at a church in a nearby town on Matthew 11:28, and although I don't possess Spurgeon's gift of oratory, with God's help I shall urge, exhort, and even implore (2 Cor. 5:20) everyone there without exception, to come to Christ, for He will by no means cast them out.
 

JesusFan

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Surely you should quote the whole of the verse? 'All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.' Spurgeon had a field day with this verse. '"Him that cometh to me." ... the man may have been guilty of an atrocious sin, too black for mention; but if he comes to Christ he shall not be cast out. He may have made himself as black as night - as black as hell ... I cannot tell what kind of persons may have come into this hall tonight; but if burglars, murderers and dynamite men (?) were here, I would still bid them come to Christ, for he will not cast them out. No limit is set to the extent of sin; any "him" in all the world - any blaspheming, devilish "him" that comes to Christ shall be welcomed. I use strong words that I may open the gate of mercy. Any "him" that comes to Christ - though he come from slum or taproom, betting-ring or gambling-hell, prison or brothel - Jesus will in no wise cast out.'
I am speaking this Lord's day at a church in a nearby town on Matthew 11:28, and although I don't possess Spurgeon's gift of oratory, with God's help I shall urge, exhort, and even implore (2 Cor. 5:20) everyone there without exception, to come to Christ, for He will by no means cast them out.
You do what you are required to do , and the Hold Spirit shall His part to convict, reprove, save
 
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