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Arthur W. Pink, HyperCalvinist

Alan Dale Gross

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Wait, so you think we must never criticize dead authors because they are not here to defend themselves?

. I believe in the priesthood of the believer.

My objections to Pink have nothing to do with his doctrine.

Aren't you a Dispensationalist? And Pink produced quite an extended critique of that system
that did not prove to be favorable to Dispensationalism, to put it mildly.

As in, Pink censured Dispensationalism as heretical at its outset and mostly so under its new changes.

Then, could it be that your censure of Pink is related to your disagreement about what he wrote there?

There are 20 or so major differences between Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism listed in this article,
of which, here are a couple:

"Dispensationalists believe that Old Testament animal sacrifices will be restored in the millennium,

whereas Covenant Theologians believe that the Old Testament sacrifices were fulfilled in Christ
and have been abolished forever.

"And finally, classic Dispensationalists teach that David will reign on the millennial throne in Jerusalem
in fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

"And Covenant Theologians teach that Christ is reigning on the throne
and His saints will rule under Him and the new earth."​

From: "Dispensationalism - A Reformed Evaluation" by Ligon Duncan

Then, in the intro to Pink' s work, it is said about the above author:
He concludes that dispensationalism remains incompatible with covenant theology,
i.e., with historic Protestant reformed doctrine.

"Dispensationalism’s increasing acceptance, then, is troubling,
because using two opposing methods of biblical interpretation,
necessarily yields two opposing orthodoxies, and two opposing orthopraxies — doctrine governs practice.

"How can the teachers of the church tell fellow Christians, in good conscience,
that they may safely use either of two incompatible methods of biblical interpretation?

"That incompatibility is what Arthur Pink highlights and criticizes in this series of articles.
Some say that Pink’s objections don’t apply to “progressive” dispensationalism. But that’s debatable."

With Pink concluding, in DISPENSATIONALISM - On the Wing:

"Our unwelcome task (for the present, at any rate) is completed. From what has been before us in
these papers, we now draw up the following bill of indictment against the Dispensationalists.

"1. Their starting-point is wrong: they begin at the Garden of Eden
instead of going back to the Everlasting Covenant.

"2. They rob God’s children of many of their Father’s precious promises.

"3. They force into 2Tim 2.15 a meaning which its context in no way warrants.

"4. They are all at sea concerning the mystical Body of Christ, failing to see that the Church of
God is commensurate with the entire ELECTION OF GRACE.

"5. They introduce the utmost confusion into the study of Prophecy, by ignoring the fundamental
distinction between carnal or national Israel, and the spiritual “Israel of God.”


No, I don't think that at all, but I do think that they shouldn't be cancelled. Let their works speak for them.

Yeah, censure, or excommunication, or banishment by being tared and featured and run out of town on a rail
isn't a punishment that meets the crime, in consideration of his considerable God-Honoring body of work.

He was wrong and got caught up looking stupid in an emotionally charged ethical/ Biblical missstep.

I'd hate to think that the hating and rejecting of those who happened to be in error on a point or two, or 42 points,
would of necessity call for their immediate execution and the burning of their books and legacy otherwise.

I think we'd be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Ah, heck, we all love the thread starter ParticularWife, but......
I can't find myself seeing one bone in Pink's pink little body being called, "Hyper Calvanist",
the way I understand it and him, but I'm still on her thread and not the least bit compelled to call out the O.P.:

Arthur W. Pink, HyperCalvinist.​

Can't I just take the meat and leave the bones every once in a while?
 

John of Japan

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Aren't you a Dispensationalist? And Pink produced quite an extended critique of that system
that did not prove to be favorable to Dispensationalism, to put it mildly.

As in, Pink censured Dispensationalism as heretical at its outset and mostly so under its new changes.

Then, could it be that your censure of Pink is related to your disagreement about what he wrote there?

There are 20 or so major differences between Covenant Theology and Dispensationalism listed in this article,
of which, here are a couple:

"Dispensationalists believe that Old Testament animal sacrifices will be restored in the millennium,

whereas Covenant Theologians believe that the Old Testament sacrifices were fulfilled in Christ
and have been abolished forever.

"And finally, classic Dispensationalists teach that David will reign on the millennial throne in Jerusalem
in fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

"And Covenant Theologians teach that Christ is reigning on the throne
and His saints will rule under Him and the new earth."​

From: "Dispensationalism - A Reformed Evaluation" by Ligon Duncan

Then, in the intro to Pink' s work, it is said about the above author:
He concludes that dispensationalism remains incompatible with covenant theology,
i.e., with historic Protestant reformed doctrine.

"Dispensationalism’s increasing acceptance, then, is troubling,
because using two opposing methods of biblical interpretation,
necessarily yields two opposing orthodoxies, and two opposing orthopraxies — doctrine governs practice.

"How can the teachers of the church tell fellow Christians, in good conscience,
that they may safely use either of two incompatible methods of biblical interpretation?

"That incompatibility is what Arthur Pink highlights and criticizes in this series of articles.
Some say that Pink’s objections don’t apply to “progressive” dispensationalism. But that’s debatable."

With Pink concluding, in DISPENSATIONALISM - On the Wing:

"Our unwelcome task (for the present, at any rate) is completed. From what has been before us in
these papers, we now draw up the following bill of indictment against the Dispensationalists.

"1. Their starting-point is wrong: they begin at the Garden of Eden
instead of going back to the Everlasting Covenant.

"2. They rob God’s children of many of their Father’s precious promises.

"3. They force into 2Tim 2.15 a meaning which its context in no way warrants.

"4. They are all at sea concerning the mystical Body of Christ, failing to see that the Church of
God is commensurate with the entire ELECTION OF GRACE.

"5. They introduce the utmost confusion into the study of Prophecy, by ignoring the fundamental
distinction between carnal or national Israel, and the spiritual “Israel of God.”




Yeah, censure, or excommunication, or banishment by being tared and featured and run out of town on a rail
isn't a punishment that meets the crime, in consideration of his considerable God-Honoring body of work.

He was wrong and got caught up looking stupid in an emotionally charged ethical/ Biblical missstep.

I'd hate to think that the hating and rejecting of those who happened to be in error on a point or two, or 42 points,
would of necessity call for their immediate execution and the burning of their books and legacy otherwise.

I think we'd be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Ah, heck, we all love the thread starter ParticularWife, but......
I can't find myself seeing one bone in Pink's pink little body being called, "Hyper Calvanist",
the way I understand it and him, but I'm still on her thread and not the least bit compelled to call out the O.P.:

Arthur W. Pink, HyperCalvinist.​

Can't I just take the meat and leave the bones every once in a while?
I have gotten from Amazon the other biography of Pink which is by Iaian Murray, and am currently reading it, 10-15 pages a night before sleeping. When I'm done, I'll try to post a thread saying what I've learned. Murray, the author, is an excellent writer. (I have other biographies by him.) He is more complimentary to Pink, but does seem authoritative.

Concerning Dispensationalism, Pink himself was a Dispensationalist until he was about 40, I believe it was--used the Scofield Bible! However, once he turned against the theology he turned nasty about it, and said some mean things. Not only that, he was pretty ignorant about it's development--confused Bullinger's hyper-dispensationalism with the normative dispensationalism of Scofield and others. I may or may not comment on that sometime or other, but don't let it keep you awake. :Cool
 
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John of Japan

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The remarkable thing is that in 1949, there was quite a remarkable revival in the Isle of Lewis where Pink was living. Is it possible that he knew nothing about it? I don't know. He died while it was still going on. Accounts say that the churches in the Isle of Lewis were very dead, but for a period, at least, they were revived in a very remarkable way. 1949 Hebrides Revival-2
I'm reading the Murray biography at home, about 15 pages before going to bed. What he thought about the Lewis revival I don't know; haven't found it in the book if it is there. What I have read though is that Pink opposed the usual evangelical version of revival and the evangelist. He was very harsh towards D. L. Moody, for example. I think that's sad. I have two biographies of Moody, and he was a very unpretentious and humble man who gave God the glory.
 

JesusFan

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I have gotten from Amazon the other biography of Pink which is by Iaian Murray, and am currently reading it, 10-15 pages a night before sleeping. When I'm done, I'll try to post a thread saying what I've learned. Murray, the author, is an excellent writer. (I have other biographies by him.) He is more complimentary to Pink, but does seem authoritative.

Concerning Dispensationalism, Pink himself was a Dispensationalist until he was about 40, I believe it was--used the Scofield Bible! However, once he turned against the theology he turned nasty about it, and said some mean things. Not only that, he was pretty ignorant about it's development--confused Bullinger's hyper-dispensationalism with the normative dispensationalism of Scofield and others. I may or may not comment on that sometime or other, but don't let it keep you awake. :Cool
I went from Dispy to progressives' version, now to CT Reformed Baptist, but would not say about Dispy its heresy, just a severe misunderstanding
 

JesusFan

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I'm reading the Murray biography at home, about 15 pages before going to bed. What he thought about the Lewis revival I don't know; haven't found it in the book if it is there. What I have read though is that Pink opposed the usual evangelical version of revival and the evangelist. He was very harsh towards D. L. Moody, for example. I think that's sad. I have two biographies of Moody, and he was a very unpretentious and humble man who gave God the glory.
Wasn't it Moody who stated that the world had not yet seen someone really sold out to the cause of Christ, and he was trying to be that example?
 

John of Japan

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I really don't plan to post much more here, but there is a Scripture that says where I have been coming from:

"9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; 10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things" (Titus 2:9-10).

My point is that our lives adorn the Gospel. If we preach or teach a certain doctrine, but then do not live right, we are not adorning the Gospel. Whatever Pink preached, to me is completely eclipsed by his life. The 19th century Baptists used the Biblical concept of "walking disorderly" (2 Thess. 3:6-7) to define the person needing church discipline. (Go to 9Marks and download the PDF book, Polity, ed. by Mark Devers. This word occurs 60 times in the book.) By definition, Pink lived a spiritually disorderly life, making him eligible for church discipline in most 19th century Baptist churches.
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
I really don't plan to post much more here, but there is a Scripture that says where I have been coming from:

"9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; 10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things" (Titus 2:9-10).

My point is that our lives adorn the Gospel. If we preach or teach a certain doctrine, but then do not live right, we are not adorning the Gospel. Whatever Pink preached, to me is completely eclipsed by his life. The 19th century Baptists used the Biblical concept of "walking disorderly" (2 Thess. 3:6-7) to define the person needing church discipline. (Go to 9Marks and download the PDF book, Polity, ed. by Mark Devers. This word occurs 60 times in the book.) By definition, Pink lived a spiritually disorderly life, making him eligible for church discipline in most 19th century Baptist churches.
Pastors and teachers always are commission to use kind hearted and tact to admonish others beleivers, and not to lambast them as he seemed to enjoy doing
 

kyredneck

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Arthur Pink was a master at drawing out the types in scripture. Who knows the deep reasons for his withdrawal from the mainstream 'orthodox' evangelical DISPENSATIONAL community in those particular years other than his total disenchantment with the Dispensational system? All through this period of isolation, he never stopped writing. Sound writings. Some here are judging him harshly, all the while you're going to spend eternity in glory with him. He was a devoted man of God, period.
 

John of Japan

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Arthur Pink was a master at drawing out the types in scripture. Who knows the deep reasons for his withdrawal from the mainstream 'orthodox' evangelical DISPENSATIONAL community in those particular years other than his total disenchantment with the Dispensational system? All through this period of isolation, he never stopped writing. Sound writings. Some here are judging him harshly, all the while you're going to spend eternity in glory with him. He was a devoted man of God, period.
"Who knows...?" Actually, the Murray biography describes pretty well the reasons for his withdrawal. At a later date I'll start a thread about that well-written, interesting biography. Don't have time right now--teaching a two week block on (wait for it) Dispensational Theology. But Pink didn't just withdraw from Dispensationalists, but from everyone, including good Baptist Churches near him.
 

John of Japan

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Arthur Pink was a master at drawing out the types in scripture. Who knows the deep reasons for his withdrawal from the mainstream 'orthodox' evangelical DISPENSATIONAL community in those particular years other than his total disenchantment with the Dispensational system? All through this period of isolation, he never stopped writing. Sound writings. Some here are judging him harshly, all the while you're going to spend eternity in glory with him. He was a devoted man of God, period.
"Who knows...?" Actually, the Murray biography describes pretty well the reasons for his withdrawal. At a later date I'll start a thread about that well-written, interesting biography. Don't have time right now--teaching a two week block on (wait for it) Dispensational Theology. But Pink didn't just withdraw from Dispensationalists, but from everyone, including good Calvinistic, non-Dispensational Baptist Churches near him.

In his last years he lived on the Island of Lewis. I mistakenly assumed it was London on this thread. He doesn't mention the great revival that occurred while he lived there, but then he didn't speak Gaelic or go to any church there (after one visit to a couple), so he was probably ignorant of it.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Arthur Pink was a master at drawing out the types in scripture. Who knows the deep reasons for his withdrawal from the mainstream 'orthodox' evangelical DISPENSATIONAL community in those particular years other than his total disenchantment with the Dispensational system? All through this period of isolation, he never stopped writing. Sound writings. Some here are judging him harshly, all the while you're going to spend eternity in glory with him. He was a devoted man of God, period.
I don't think that Dispensationalism had much hold on the churches on the Isle of Lewis. My understanding is that they were Reformed Presbyterian churches that had fallen into a sort of dead orthodoxy. The revival of the early '50s certainly awakened them, though my understanding is that they have fallen back in more recent times into their former ways.
 

kyredneck

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I don't think that Dispensationalism had much hold on the churches on the Isle of Lewis. My understanding is that they were Reformed Presbyterian churches that had fallen into a sort of dead orthodoxy. The revival of the early '50s certainly awakened them, though my understanding is that they have fallen back in more recent times into their former ways.

"About the author: Arthur Walkington Pink (1886–1952) was converted in 1908 and simultaneously called to the gospel ministry. In 1910 he left England and enrolled at Moody Bible Institute, but after two months he with drew and took a pastorate in Silverton, Colorado. Rev.. Pink then filled several pastorates in California, Kentucky, and South Carolina. He became a prolific writer and is highly regarded as a preacher and theologian. Some consider him to be one of the greatest Christian spokesmen of the 20th century. Rev. Pink began his studies having been taught dispensational theology. Some of his early writings reflected this view (i.e. The Redeemer's Return and The Antichrist). Prior to Rev. Pink's death he realized the errors of dispensational theology, especially the pretribulational rapture theory. This series of 5 articles refuting dispensationalism was published in 1952 in his monthly magazine Studies in the Scriptures for the June through October, 1952 issues. These articles show Mr. Pink's changed position, he was against the dispensational school of thought up till the very month of his death."

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"Arthur Pink, a devout dispensationalist, later abandoned dispensationalism and became an aggressive opponent of it. In his book A Study of Dispensationalism, he complained that it destroys the unity and applicability of Scripture, denouncing it as a "modern and pernicious error"
 
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kyredneck

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IMO, Arthur Pink was a terrible, disobedient Christian, and no one should learn theology from him. Period. End of story.

Considering that teaching Dispensationalism is your livelihood, it kinda explains your animosity towards him.
 
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JesusFan

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Considering that teaching Dispensationalism is your livelihood, it kinda exp[ains your animosity towards him.
Interesting that those such as a Dr Sproul and Dr Macarthur could disagree between themselves on some big issues, yet remained until death really loving friends, and not just blast and rip on each other
 
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