Arthur W. Pink, HyperCalvinist

[Martin Marprelate]

Those who are not Calvinists understands that God acts sovereignly when he wants to.

That is the very definition of sovereignty. If God acted sovereignly when He didn't want to, He wouldn't be sovereign

 

[DaveXR650]

What does this mean? It means that men who disobey God willfully and do their own things are acting in sovereignty. Why do you think Jehovah calls on gods to repent?

The Reformed, including the best teachers such as Lloyd-Jones, do not merely get all biblical doctrines wrong with the so called doctrines of grace, they get them backwards. I do not recommend trusting them with your spiritual well-being.

I agree that men who disobey God are doing it willfully and are solely responsible and cannot blame God for their sin. In the context of a forum debate format I think it's OK to argue my views on Calvinism or God's sovereignty. I think it is stimulating and leads me to know more about other writers and other scriptures I have not considered. But in real life, I owe too much to men like John R. Rice, Billy Graham, John Owen, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan, Richard Baxter, Wesley and to groups like Campus Crusade for Christ, to dismiss anyone based on what I might disagree with on their theology.

You mentioned Lloyd-Jones. I have listened to quite a few of his sermons, and read his book on the Puritans, which is basically notes from a Puritan conference they had every year through the 60's and 70's. In his book, he spends a lot of time explaining how Calvinism without some Methodism mixed in can become cold and intellectual. And he spends a lot of time praising Baxter and Wesley, who were much different than him theologically.

I do not recommend trusting them with your spiritual well-being.

Absolutely! They are all just men living in a set time, with limited vantagepoints, and most were responding to some error or problem that we may not be aware of. But I can promise you, grab some sermons and papers from Owen or Bunyan, from on-line (where they are free) and you will be greatly blessed. Same with Baxter and Wesley.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I don't know much about Pink.

Would you want to learn theology from this man?

Thus, IMO, Arthur Pink was a terrible, disobedient Christian, and no one should learn theology from him. Period. End of story.

What you see described is a man.

Nothing to cry about. Although, I do see that as all it is you're saying. Why don't you just cry about it? For real.

He was a human being.

People have their difficulties, and he was right about quite a bit. End of story.

Yeah, Pink was a People.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Pink was certainly a strong Calvinist, but he was no Hyper.

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The Works of A.W. Pink.

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[kyredneck]

Read online.

 

[John of Japan]

What you see described is a man.

Nothing to cry about. Although, I do see that as all it is you're saying. Why don't you just cry about it? For real.

He was a human being.



Yeah, Pink was a People.

So, you're okay with someone claiming to be a believer but not going to church for 15 years, and never fellowshipping with other believers? (I don't want to misrepresent you.)

 

[John of Japan]

How odd. In his essay on "Evangelical Obedience," Pink says nothing about the local church and attending there.

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching" (Heb. 10:25).

I am reminded of the man who said to his friend, "There are only two good Christians left in this town, and I'm worried about you."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Read online.

The wolves are now circling.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How odd. In his essay on "Evangelical Obedience," Pink says nothing about the local church and attending there.

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching" (Heb. 10:25).

I am reminded of the man who said to his friend, "There are only two good Christians left in this town, and I'm worried about you."

Perhaps he considered it apostate.

 

[John of Japan]

Perhaps he considered it apostate.

Actually, he did consider all churches to be apostate, and so he told believers not to attend perfectly good churches! I don't think you would want him to be living in your town. He'd talk against your church, call it apostate, and tell the members to stop attending there.

He was “admonishing people to withdraw from their local churches” (p. 111 of the biography).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Actually, he did consider all churches to be apostate, and so he told believers not to attend perfectly good churches! I don't think you would want him to be living in your town. He'd talk against your church, call it apostate, and tell the members to stop attending there.

He was “admonishing people to withdraw from their local churches” (p. 111 of the biography).

I would want him to back up his statement with evidence.

 

[John of Japan]

I would want him to back up his statement with evidence.

Certainly!!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I do agree with him here

ANOTHER GOSPEL

 

[JesusFan]

Actually, he did consider all churches to be apostate, and so he told believers not to attend perfectly good churches! I don't think you would want him to be living in your town. He'd talk against your church, call it apostate, and tell the members to stop attending there.

He was “admonishing people to withdraw from their local churches” (p. 111 of the biography).

He was not inspired, far better to trust in the statement concerning this subject from the inspired scripture writer

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Pink has been dead for 70+ years, so he's not here to defend himself.
"The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones." [Shakespeare, Julius Caesar]
His books stand or fall on their own merits. IMHO, they stand.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

fellowshipping

This can be rough, if people are rejecting you. I've looked at my cost and tie and didn't have the Christianity at times to force myself to put them on to go where I was not really welcome. People telling each other I was a heretic for one thing or another. Both of us being in the flesh didn't help matters a bit.

That's sin, clearly though, too.

Pink and I both needed some Jolt Cola, I guess.

Perhaps he considered it apostate.

Right. Just Spiritual Adultery.

If there wasn't a sound church around he should have searched the world over, right?

With a call to ministry, he could have started a work for the Lord.

The excuse he winded up using doesn't play well does it.

There is an instance of poor judgment that may have been able to mitigated more honorably to God, but he is gone and his sins forgiven, which are definitely sins, but am I going to throw him and his work under the bus because he didn't address his issue more consistently with God's plain Revealed will?

Having no one locally he could fellowship with in what he knew to be like faith and order is a drag. So, there was the opportunity to take some other position and the weight of his writing call was just a temptation he settled for.

All this, "how could you stuff", is probably more to do with people who don't want to believe the God Honoring Doctrines he wrote about though, mighten it be possible?

Any excuse they have to reject someone will do them, too.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Maybe three?

I give him latitude. As a fallable sinner.


From: A.W. Pink | Reformed Theology at Semper Reformanda

"He labored faithfully for his remaining twelve years of life, writing and producing the periodical while he lived in virtual isolation, not even attending a local church.

"He justified this behavior by explaining that the admonition not to neglect the assembling of ourselves together does not mean that the sheep of Christ should attend a place where the goats predominate or where their attendance would sanction that which is dishonoring to Christ."

 

[John of Japan]

Pink has been dead for 70+ years, so he's not here to defend himself.
"The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones." [Shakespeare, Julius Caesar]
His books stand or fall on their own merits. IMHO, they stand.

Wait, so you think we must never criticize dead authors because they are not here to defend themselves? Really???? I do respect you for what I've seen you post on the BB, but that's just weird.

 

[John of Japan]

This can be rough, if people are rejecting you. I've looked at my cost and tie and didn't have the Christianity at times to force myself to put them on to go where I was not really welcome. People telling each other I was a heretic for one thing or another. Both of us being in the flesh didn't help matters a bit.

That's sin, clearly though, too.

Pink and I both needed some Jolt Cola, I guess.

Never had any, don't know what it is.

Right. Just Spiritual Adultery.

If there wasn't a sound church around he should have searched the world over, right?

No, just London, where he lived at the time. Pretty sure there were churches there that were not apostate, such as the Metropolitan Tabernacle after Spurgeon

With a call to ministry, he could have started a work for the Lord.

The excuse he winded up using doesn't play well does it.

Yes, he could have, and no it doesn't.

There is an instance of poor judgment that may have been able to mitigated more honorably to God, but he is gone and his sins forgiven, which are definitely sins, but am I going to throw him and his work under the bus because he didn't address his issue more consistently with God's plain Revealed will?

Having no one locally he could fellowship with in what he knew to be like faith and order is a drag. So, there was the opportunity to take some other position and the weight of his writing call was just a temptation he settled for.

All this, "how could you stuff", is probably more to do with people who don't want to believe the God Honoring Doctrines he wrote about though, mighten it be possible?

My objections to Pink have nothing to do with his doctrine. I even posted at one point on this thread that folks should find other Calvinist theologians, and read them not Pink.

Any excuse they have to reject someone will do them, too.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Maybe three?

I give him latitude. As a fallable sinner.

That's your privilege. I believe in the priesthood of the believer.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

"He labored faithfully for his remaining twelve years of life, writing and producing the periodical while he lived in virtual isolation, not even attending a local church.

"He justified this behavior by explaining that the admonition not to neglect the assembling of ourselves together does not mean that the sheep of Christ should attend a place where the goats predominate or where their attendance would sanction that which is dishonoring to Christ."

The remarkable thing is that in 1949, there was quite a remarkable revival in the Isle of Lewis where Pink was living. Is it possible that he knew nothing about it? I don't know. He died while it was still going on. Accounts say that the churches in the Isle of Lewis were very dead, but for a period, at least, they were revived in a very remarkable way. 1949 Hebrides Revival-2

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Wait, so you think we must never criticize dead authors because they are not here to defend themselves? Really???? I do respect you for what I've seen you post on the BB, but that's just weird.

No, I don't think that at all, but I do think that they shouldn't be cancelled. Let their works speak for them.