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As a Christian, I defended Obamacare. But I really support single-payer.

FollowTheWay

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We are not a democracy FollowTheWay, we are a constitutional Republic and healthcare is not something that should be voted upon (unless a Constitution Amendment). It is not under the scope of federal government powers for exactly the reason that if the masses decide they can vote something for themselves they overwhelm the bounds of what a society can logically support.

I want a million dollars, a new car, free stuff and healthcare, lets vote it in on the federal level bypassing the 10th amendment. If locals want to ruin their own selves like several towns have found out they can do (having to pay more retirement plans than taxes allow). At least the socialist test is localized and people can flee the doomed area and leave it to rot like a lot of major cities now in decay.

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Not following the thread real well so please ping me if you reply. Thanks.
I'm quite aware of that. Where do you see in the Constitution that healthcare cannot be voted upon? Actually, the real definition of a Republic versus a democracy is that issues are directly voted on by all the people (a direct plebiscite) in a genuine Republic. In a Democracy, they are decided by representatives of the people.
Subject your wants to the electorate and see what happens. America was called the great experiment. It worked well when people in good faith discussed the issues rationally. There is no rational discourse anymore. In fact Trump's people assert there are no more facts anymore, only ratings.
 

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Yeah, he's probably just confused again but Low is right, there is no mechanism for a national referendum in the US Constitution on the question of single-payer or anything else - even the only "national" vote you can cast in a general election only counts for your state's popular vote, that's then converted into an EV.

This same question has been put up before the citizens of Oregon:

Oregon Ballot Measure 23 (2002) - Wikipedia

and, more recently, Colorado:

ColoradoCare - Wikipedia

rejected badly, the voters can't swallow the staggering costs of these programs, and they are just estimates. It's had more success getting through state legislatures (VT, HI, CA) but same story, it's killed as soon as they see the price tag.
 
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