Featured Asking for scriptural rebuttal to TULIP

Again, you're giving opinion, not scriptures. And that's because you cannot deny that Revelation 22:17 does not say "only the elect" or mention the "elect". You injected those foreign elements into the verse.
That's the book definition of private interpretation and wrest my words.

 

It was about religion, not people. One is antisemitic to say the Jews are the Semites and the rest of the Arab world is not.

 

In any case man needs God's intervention or a man will perish.

 

Yes, as a lost sinner will prefer to stay lost in the dark!

 

Its like when the scriptures states world, we must determine its meaning by context, and also by what the other verses state to us in regards to 'free will" or not for lost sinners!

 

No on denies that. But that's a world away from saying that a lost man has no free will, and that God gives that apparently randomly chosen man a new nature without the man's free will being engaged, since he has none, irresistibly forcing into him a new nature and making him believe the gospel.

 

Amazing how that Bible never, in any of those verses, actually says that:

whosoever = elect only
or
world = elect only

I mean, you'd expect at least one verse to make that restriction! But who cares?! You'll restrict it yourself if you have to!

p-r-i-v-a-t-e interpretation.

 

sinners are still free to exercise their wills, its just that certain things they will always choose not to do, such as trusting in Christ!

 

Is there election for the saints then, and if yes, on what basis does God do that?

 

When you have a verse defining world as "only the elect" and whosoever as "only the elect"; please let us know.

Otherwise...it's private interpretation. Text.book.example.

 

When you have any verse that supports real free will for lost sinners, let us know!

 

All men are self willed beings. Without the hearing of the gospel men will not seek God. A few might listen but most will tune it out.

 

No it isn't clear that God first chose us. Christ was speaking to the disciples when He said that. Being chosen didn't mean much to Judas in fact if you think about it Judas rejected Christ.
MB

 

Nope it sure can't and no one claims it can.

Yep they sure were but that verse does not say that spiritually dead can't come to Christ.

 

Abraham is the father of us all. But Abraham and his descendents only according to the calling of God will bless the earth, one of whom was Christ, who are not naturally born according to the flesh, they must be born according to the Spirit for such persons to bless the world.

Faith is according to Grace, without the grace you could have no faith.
Since our faith is by God's grace, this makes the promise of God sure to all the 'seed' and that seed are not those naturally born.

Romans 4:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”

Romans 8
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

This is a very important concept to understand.

 

atpollard, Wouldn't it be the case that the moment you are regenerated, you no longer depraved?


" Our fallen body does not naturally think "I do not want to lust after anyone because I want to please God more than my flesh." Our fallen spirit does not naturally desire to submit to the authority and control of another."

This is where you are wrong. Under YOUR ROOF there might have been chaos, you might have to HIT ROCK BOTTOM for that flash light to go off in your head.

Never met a Calvinist who didn't hit rock bottom. Its like when a AA person or Scientologist gets taste of something that works finally getting actual discipline, then they assume the whole world is like them in need of AA.

Every Calvinist I ever met, hit rock button. Was a DRUNK, was on DRUGS, Wanted to commit suicide, were devil worshipers.

The idea that Calvinists are the only moral compass on earth is laughable. Late to the party maybe.

 

They are in a state of war with God, refusing to obey or turn to Him....

 

Jesus chose judas to fulfill the scriptures that one would betray him, but Judas never was ever saved!

 

You seem to have met many who profess Jesus, without actually being saved by Him!