Asleep in Jesus will God bring with Him.

How could He bring them with Him if they are in the grave?

When He comes He is bringing the angels to send to the four corners of the earth to gather in all of His children and "if the same Spirit be in you that raised Christ from the dead it shall also quicken your mortal bodies".
The Lord may be coming in the air but the angels will come farther and also His Spirit will quicken our mortal bodies and to do that the soul must be rejoined with the bodies by that Spirit.

That is the way I see it.

 

Rev 7:13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Rev 7:14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Apparently the reason they were disturbed is they had not received their White robes as of yet. Why? because it had not been shed and this is what makes me believe this took place when Jesus died. They had not their White Robes which come from the blood of the Lamb and then they were given them, so I think this tells us when this
took place.
Rev 6:9¶And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled

"rest yet" seems to say they were at rest before to me. I could be wrong but if that is not the case then why didn't the writer say "they should rest for a little season"?

These are my thoughts for years and base it on where did they get their White Robes of which the Bible tells us.

 

There is no text except the Lord told them they should rest yet and that seems to say at one time they were at rest but I could be stretching but don't believe they were in heaven all that time complaining. I guess I kinda include the rest that Paul spoke of too.
God had made a promise to Israel that the messiah would come but yet many died before His coming so they could not of had their robes it it came from His blood. When Jesus died that blood covered them that had died under the Law and God fulfilled His promise to Israel. That is why I believe it was when Jesus died and you are correct it is under the fifth seal of which we are today as I understand the scripture.
If these white robes came from the blood of the Lamb and Jesus died under the fifth seal then that is the only way those souls under the altar could receive their white robes.

I don't place us in Heaven but think we are living under the fifth seal today for under the sixth seal the sun will turn dark and the moon to blood and the stars will fall from heaven and that has not happened yet. (I believe we receive our white robes when we are born again and made alive in Christ and receive His blood applied to our soul), but they couldn't because it had not been shed when they died.

I believe that Book written within and sealed on the back side with seven seals is life from the beginning when God gave man life to the end when He will destroy this earth and the devil, those who worketh abomination and those who maketh a lie and Heaven speaks and says "it is finished'.

 

First I do not believe that Rev: is in sequence but is like a sermon of which we move from one subject to another. Having said that it does seem that Rev: 4 through 10 are in sequence and I have always believed it took the blood to open the book and loose the seals even though the book tells us of thing which were, are and that which is to come, but it took Jesus to open it. I believe all the seals have been opened but we are living under the fifth seal with two yet to come but believe we are getting close to them.
The Elders to me as you read in Ch 4 praises Him for the creation and not the shedding of blood so it makes me think they were there along with the four beasts long before Christ came. I do wonder who the Elders are and have preached many times I would love to see them but there are those who went to Heaven before the coming of Christ and when He came and opened the book by the shedding of His blood then they received the promise God had made them. There were at least two who went both body and soul and could be more for the Bible never contained all that has happened since creation. When you get to Ch 12 you read of the woman who brought forth the man Child and I believe that Rev: is backing up again and explaining the birth of the Grace Church and birth of Jesus.
My belief on the opening of the seals does not mean that is when these things take place but is revealing to us time from creation to the end.
I think where there are so many different beliefs on what will take place in the resurrection is because men do read Rev: as if it takes place step by step and tries to find worldly events to fill in the happenings.
When Jesus shed His blood and arose from the grave "many of the bodies of the saints arose with Him and went into that Holy City and many were seen of many, so yes, there are people in Heaven, both soul and body who are not under the altar of God but are praising Him.
I guess in order to see as I do you would also have to accept that when it says "Jesus was the firstfruits of them that slept that arose you would have to believe He was the First resurrection along with many of the bodies of the saints".
I do not believe in a 1000 year reign yet to come but believe as scripture says that a 1000 years is as yesterday or without measure of time and to be frank, I believe it was when the blood was shed also.
Man, you have caused me to get deeper than I really wanted to because I know I am in the minority on here in believing the 1000 years is over but indeed, I am not alone in this belief for there are many who believe the same just they all believe at different times.
I tried to find a time when satan was bound and the only thing that has or will bind satan including in your life and mine is "the fear of God". When Jesus died and the earth shook and turned dark and the veil rent from top to bottom and the very ones who peirced Him in the side confessed that He was the Christ. Well, in the end of time it will be the same, the earth turn dark, earth quakes and confessions but then He will shake the Heavens also.

Hope I have made clear what I believe for I think when the Lord comes again it will be a quick work He will do. He will redeem His believers from the earth and then pass judgement on the earth by pouring out the seven vials of the wrath of God.
11: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created

 

I have enjoyed it Allan;
I like talking with those who show respect even I probably knew you did not agree with me to start with but at least we did debate civil.

Who really knows all about Rev:, It would of been something if we had of gotten into what each seal represents. peace,

 

No one has ever answered why it is written in Rev: "I saw the souls of them". Why did it not just say "I saw souls that were beheaded"?

The way it is written John saw a part of a whole and if it was just the souls then no one could see them anyway when it took place.

 

Hard to argue with that Allan

 

Only thing is I have stood over many of people who died and have yet to see the first soul leave the body.

 

I agree with that but in the norm that are unseen don't you agree?