Assurance of Salvation

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What you need is to trust in Christ not His Grace because with out trusting in Christ there is no grace.



Lordship Salvation is all about works to keep your Salvation. Salvation is free you do not have to work to keep it. What you believe is not found in scripture.
MB

MB, we all trust in Christ as He has graciously saved us by His choice, not by our works.
Lordship Salvation has nothing to do with works to keep salvation. It is ironic, however, that you would bring this up since the Roman Catholic Church clearly teaches salvation and maintaining salvation by works.

Salvation is not free. Jesus died to secure the redemption of his elect. By Jesus gracious choice, we are redeemed. Our entire life is held in the palm of Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

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Regarding your #3, aren't you yet dead to the law (Romans 7:4)?

Yes dead to the Law, that is, not being under it. Nevertheless sin is still defind by the Law, 1 John 3:4. So John argues, ". . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. . . . If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. . . ." -- 1 John 1:8-10. The lost will be condemned under it, Romans 3:19.

 

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[Yeshua1]

First judge your gross sinful behaviors according to Mathew 5:48 which make you unfit to stand before God, before you crave to judge others!!!

Don't pretend to be perfectly cleaned by your sin confessions!!!

I hope that your church will bring discipline when needed to leaders in the church!

 

[Yeshua1]

LOL, we trust in the Sovereign Grace of our King, Jesus Christ, who has chosen to redeem us out of death and place us into life through His atoning sacrifice.

The issue is not that you and I aren't redeemed and atoned for. The issue is that you teach that faith comes from your human will power and that by your man-generated faith, you can heal yourself and become financially prosperous. You teach your human ability to manipulate God and make him give you your heart's desire by your human-generated faith.

You have displayed human works as the means by which you push God around to get what you want.

he rails against you and me for not agreeing with the heresy of the wof health and wealth crowd, and then tries to state that we do not see it the right way due to a "lack of faith"

 

[Yeshua1]

My understanding of 'Lordship salvation' is that Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. If I will not have Him for my Lord, why should I suppose that I can have Him for my Saviour? Salvation is indeed free, but it's not cheap.

If a child is born who bears no resemblance whatsoever to its father, eyebrows tend to be raised and urgent questions asked. What then should we think of someone who claims to be born of a Holy God, but in whom there is no sign of holiness to be observed?

Here is John Owen speaking on Hebrews 6:4-6.

'Let it be said that while Scripture speaks plainly and positively of the perseverance of the saints, yet it is a perseverance of saints, not unregenerate professors. Divine preservation is not only in a safe state, but also in a holy course of disposition and conduct. We are 'kept by the power of God through faith.' We are kept by the Spirit working in us a spirit of entire dependency, renouncing our own wisdom and strength. The only place where we cannot fall is one down in the dust. It is there the Lord brings His own people, weaning them from all confidence in the flesh, and giving them to experience that it is when they are weak that they are strong. Such, and such only, are saved and safe forever.'

While those such as Dr MacArthur seem to be saying it too strongly from my perspective, do see the thrust of the NT to be that Jesus when he saves you is your Lord at that point, and does want you to agree and submit your will to His in all areas of your life!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes dead to the Law, that is, not being under it. Nevertheless sin is still defind by the Law, 1 John 3:4. So John argues, ". . . If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. . . . If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. . . ." -- 1 John 1:8-10. The lost will be condemned under it, Romans 3:19.

The local church must exercise discipline in its ranks, especially for those in spiritual authority, as the criteria is are they sinning and refusing to repent of that, not are we in a state in sinless perfection in order to judge!

 

[Martin Marprelate]

This is how I understand the Perseverance of the elect in the TULIP.

If I am one of the elect, then I will persevere [by the grace of God, not of my own power] in a life of holiness, never ending up in unrepentant sin but ever confessing my sins and seeking to walk with God, until the time of my death.
But I haven't reached the time of my death yet, so I still have the potential, if I am not in fact of the elect but only think I am, of ending up in unrepentant sin. If I do end up in such a state and die, then I find out, finally, that I wasn't one of the elect to begin with, which is why I did not persevere.

Therefore, even though I think I'm one of the elect based on the fact that I believe the gospel and seek to please God and to strive against sin and confess it, I can never be 100% sure that I am an elect, until I die in a state of perseverance.

Therefore in Calvinism, I can never have 100% assurance of salvation [I didn't say "eternal security", I said "assurance of salvation"].

Is my understanding correct? If not, please explain why not. Thanks

Sorry to come in on this a bit late, but your understanding is incorrect.
The sinner's warrant of salvation is not based on his belief that he is one of the elect, but upon the promises of God; specifically that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. I am a sinner; I therefore qualify for salvation through faith.

But that faith, saving faith, is not an intellectual persuasion that there was someone called Jesus of Nazareth who lived a long time ago and did a lot of good stuff. It is an understanding that I am a sinner justly under the wrath of a holy God, a turning away from sin, and a casting of myself upon the Lord Jesus Christ as a drowning man might cast himself upon a life-belt.

Such a one is justified, declared righteous, by God on the basis of the merits and atoning blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, and is therefore no longer under condemnation. But God does not stop there; He puts His laws in the minds of His people and writes them on their hearts (Hebrews 8:10). So if someone despises God's righteous laws and commandments, why would he suppose that he was justified? This is what it means to examine oneself (2 Corinthians 13:5); has the Holy Spirit written God's moral law on your heart? Does it upset you when you fail to keep it as you should? Can you say with the Psalmist, "I delight to do Your will, O my God; and Your law is within my heart"? If so, you may be absolutely assured that God has saved you and that you are one of His elect, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4).

 

[Dave G]

My understanding of 'Lordship salvation' is that Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. If I will not have Him for my Lord, why should I suppose that I can have Him for my Saviour? Salvation is indeed free, but it's not cheap.

I agree, Steve.

But I think that many who are familiar with the phrase, "Lordship Salvation" are referring to the prominent teaching by some that, in order to become saved, one must first make Christ "the Lord of your life".
Salvation does not work that way, and the Gospel should never be preached with this in it.

Teaching that a person must "make" Christ Lord and Saviour before God will save them, is "front-loading" the Gospel, IMO.
Paul never did this, Peter never did this, and Jesus Himself made this telling statement:

" Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am." ( John 13:13 ).

 

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