Atheists and Liberals better than evangelicals

[Luke2427]

...there is not a problem here.

Wow! Just wow! At least you admit it. It is perfectly ok to you for Fundamentalists and Evangelicals to not seek to raise well educated children.

AMAZING!!

There is a problem... it is people like you.

Jesus used the uneducated.

Certainly he did! I pray to God that our churches would flood to overflowing with uneducated people that we are helping.

But we are SUPPOSED to be HELPING them. That means some of them will get an education who wouldn't without ou help. That means that even those who can't will emphasize education to their children and after a generation or two we will see the stats improving.

But they are NOT improving. They are going down. That means we are not HELPING people. We are part of the problem and not the solution.

 

[Revmitchell]

Wow! Just wow! At least you admit it. It is perfectly ok to you for Fundamentalists and Evangelicals to not seek to raise well educated children.

Ok well I knew you would not last long. I did not say that. As usual you put words in my mouth. I will leave you to your misery.

 

[Luke2427]

Ok well I knew you would not last long. I did not say that. As usual you put words in my mouth. I will leave you to your misery.

You did say it.

I cited a respected survey that said that Christians have been raising their children to be less educated than atheists- BY FAR!!!- and you say that you have no problem with that.

It is not that you did not say it, it is that you did not realize that you were saying JUST that.

You said the terrible education of fundamentalists and evangelicals is no problem.

You just didn't realize that what that meant was that you were saying that it is perfectly ok for Christians to raise their children to be poorly educated.

You said it.

Anybody with half a brain can see you said it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Lack of a college degree does not make one stupid.

That is true. In fact, a stupid person ... stupid in the real meaning of the word ... cannot be educated. A stupid person does not know and cannot be educated to know whereas an ignorant person does not know but can be educated to know.

But the lack of a degree will leave a person ignorant in many fields in which they could have been educated. That is a waste of a mind and as the old saw goes, "A mind is a terrible thing to waste".

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No sir you have me wrong. It is not that I know it and do not want to acknowledge it, it is that I know there is not a problem here. Jesus used the uneducated. You sir place to much stock in the wrong things. You claim to hold to the sovereignty of God but blame the church for more atheists. Where is God in all of this based on your view of the sovereignty of God. I say your position on this is in conflict with it.

Please...both Old School Baptists I report into have advanced degrees....one in physics. His son, a pastor in Ohio holds a doctorate and runs a chemical plant. But I digress ....Old Schoolers are encouraged to spend time in the gospel each day & then we discuss them. Regarding edu....we encourage it totally. Where we differ from most Baptists is we believe the pastor is responsible for teaching the entire family together rather than send them to SS. Then its up to the parents to reinforce with the kids.

We are also big into home schooling. I am very proud to say that we are very family orientated and educated with an extremely low divorce rate.

BTW....we are Doctrines of Grace believers.

 

[InTheLight]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Classic Luke-ism post/thread!

Take several flawed premises:

"The more religious the state in America, the higher the divorce rate and the poorer educated it is."
"If your beliefs don't enable you to provide a home in America where your kids grow up to be very intelligent, capable contributors to society then your beliefs are not worth two cents."
"The fact is that generally speaking atheists lead more moral, more intelligent lives than most evangelicals."
"Atheists...raise kids better than evangelical Christians. Atheists are by and large better educated than church members...Atheists do not get divorced like church members "



Cite flawed studies and use personal anecdotes as if it applied to everyone:

"My state, Mississippi, is at the BOTTOM and I know why."


Claim superiority

"You are a very bitter person. Your personal problems with me are a spiritual problem for you."
"I helped over forty prisoners get their GED's last year. I offer after-school tutoring classes to children in our community."
"I don't think you used the word "behest" properly."
"Anybody with half a brain can see you said it."


Throw in some question begging:

"Why do you want people to keep their heads in the sand?"
"It is perfectly ok to you for Fundamentalists and Evangelicals to not seek to raise well educated children."


Repeat:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92692

Predictable as dirty socks on a coal miner.

 

[DHK]

What KIND of education do these atheists have. Perhaps they are professors of science in different universities holding various Ph.D.'s. So what if they have greater education in that respect. I would submit that many of our seminary educated pastors have an equivalent education without a Ph.D. but in the area and expertise in which they are trained.
Pastors are not biology majors, and Biology professors don't know a whit about the Bible. Thus the stats that Barna gives are skewed from the beginning.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Predictable as dirty socks on a coal miner.

:laugh: yea......grab your socks!

 

[OldRegular]

As I recall about this time last year Luke took off on a rant. I did a little looking and came up with one of my favorites:

Old folks who think they love old things

 

[Luke2427]

As I recall about this time last year Luke took off on a rant. I did a little looking and came up with one of my favorites:

Old folks who think they love old things

Yea, that one was a good one, too! And true!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

As I recall about this time last year Luke took off on a rant. I did a little looking and came up with one of my favorites:

Old folks who think they love old things

ROFL......whats startin to scare me is that I have a young niece that went down there to live.....but thats my brothers problem. The movie, "Deliverance" keeps flashin into my head however.

 

[DHK]

As I recall about this time last year Luke took off on a rant. I did a little looking and came up with one of my favorites:

Old folks who think they love old things

He also went on a rant against fundamentalism. But in the end he concluded that he was a fundamentalist also.

 

[OldRegular]

ROFL......whats startin to scare me is that I have a young niece that went down there to live.....but thats my brothers problem. The movie, "Deliverance" keeps flashin into my head however.

My oldest living brother and I were talking yesterday about the propensity of some folks to stereotype others. The movie "Deliverance" was mentioned. Then there is the OP!

 

[Luke2427]

He also went on a rant against fundamentalism. But in the end he concluded that he was a fundamentalist also.

I am a fundamentalist in the sense that I believe in the fundamentals. But you know well that the IFB and tongue talkers have high jacked that term. I am nothing like most of them.

Hopefully you can understand it now.

 

[Winman]

I am a fundamentalist in the sense that I believe in the fundamentals. But you know well that the IFB and tongue talkers have high jacked that term. I am nothing like most of them.

Hopefully you can understand it now.

Don't forget the shakers and quakers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFRQzUzb94

Can anybody spot the first time visitor?

 

[quantumfaith]

Related "thinly'....but related.

Why in our culture is it acceptable to proudly admit that one cannot do even the simplest of mathematics?

 

[evangelist6589]

Luke you are a very negative person. You need to start reading the Bible and learn to be positive.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/05/educational-levels-denomination/#.UzEj3YWa-BJ

In the above article citing Christian Polling Organization, Barna Group, it appears that the more conservative you are in Christianity: the less educated you are, the greater your chances of committing a crime and getting divorced are.

WHAT A SHAME!!!!

SHAME ON US!!

How terrible that those who claim most vociferously to believe the Bible are the stupidest and most immoral among all groups in America!!

We have failed! We are not failing- we HAVE failed... miserably!!

Most of our churches are not worth two cents.

The more religious the state in America, the higher the divorce rate and the poorer educated it is. My state, Mississippi, is at the BOTTOM and I know why. I have been to enough churches in this state to know why Mississippi is so uneducated, so poor, so immoral (more crime, std's, divorce, etc...). It's wonderful to bring in people whose lives are a mess, but the Gospel is supposed to CHANGE that. If the church in the community is not changing the stats some after a while- it ought to close up shop.

If your beliefs don't improve the quality of your marriage and don't enable you to provide a home in America where your kids grow up to be very intelligent, capable contributors to society then your beliefs are not worth two cents.

Yes, I know there are exceptions. But we use the exceptions to excuse ourselves too easily. The fact is that generally speaking atheists lead more moral, more intelligent lives than most evangelicals.

Our churches ought to discipline people whose healthy children are failing schools. F's on a healthy minded Christian's report card smear the name of Christ in America. Christians ought not be stupid if there is any other way. Atheists ought not be able to raise kids better than evangelical Christians.

Our churches ought to discipline members who get divorces. Get down to the bottom of it and discipline whoever is responsible- usually both parties. Forgive and restore after the discipline if there is genuine repentance but don't skip discipline and jump ahead to restoration. There ought always to be repentance before restoration and time ought to pass between the two.

A faith genuinely held by two married people that does not make them love each other more and more as time passes is not worth two cents.

I honestly believe the death of conservative Christianity in America may be the best thing for real Christianity in America. And I am conservative. I believe the Bible is the infallible, inerrant Word of God but the sad thing is that most other people who claim to believe the same thing have a faith that cripples the rest of us from making inroads.

3,500 churches are closing their doors every year in America. 9 churches every day close PERMANENTLY. That may be the best news we've heard in a while. The shedding of dead weight that is most evangelical churches in America will be a welcomed occurrence for genuine Christianity in America.

 

[Luke2427]

Luke you are a very negative person. You need to start reading the Bible and learn to be positive.

If you knew two cents worth of the Bible you'd know the VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS POLEMIC IN NATURE.

Too negative!

Kid, stay off the street. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[OldRegular]

If you knew two cents worth of the Bible you'd know the VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS POLEMIC IN NATURE.

I believe you are incorrect but thank God for dictionaries.

po·lem·ic [puh-lem-ik, poh-]
noun
1. a controversial argument, as one against some opinion, doctrine, etc.

2. a person who argues in opposition to another; controversialist.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/polemic?s=t

 

[OldRegular]

Related "thinly'....but related.

Why in our culture is it acceptable to proudly admit that one cannot do even the simplest of mathematics?

My soon to be 80 year old baby brother studied mathematics. He started out teaching but spent most of his career working at the Pentagon. After he retired he did substitute teaching on occasion. He said that if you took the calculators from the students they were lost. {Sort of like the Blackberry commercial of a couple of years back.}

I believe that Dr. Keith Ablow, the psychiatrist on Fox has stated it correctly. As I recall he insists part of our problem in this country is that we have too many gimmicks {for lack of a better word} and there is a lack of personal communication. People, especially the young, even if they have cell phones don't talk, they text. Then there are Facebook and You Tube where people spill all their secrets to the world including nude pictures of themselves. And there are hundreds of games and "apps" that occupy, actually waste, time. Young children and teenagers who should be out playing, doing something physical are playing games, texting, on iPhones, etc.

Even forums such as this one are problematic. We would never speak 'face to face' with each other as we do on this forum. Instead of discussing, communicating, we are shouting, often insulting each other, even if it is in "lower case" text!