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Attorney General Sessions

FollowTheWay

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I presume the location of the RNC server was not a secret. I presume emails sent/received on it did not rise to the security level of correspondence by the Secretary of State. I also highly doubt the number given of 22 million emails.

Hillary's server was in her house. She was secretary of state. This is not on government property. Having the server in your house gives you physical access to it. You could swap out the memory boards, taking the memory containing the sensitive emails out and substituting memory loaded with faux emails of little consequence. Or you could physically remove the server from the premises and deny it was ever installed there. Lots of opportunity for subterfuge when you physically control the server.
The use of the RNC private server was secret and therefore its location was secret. These emails were potentially far more dangerous than the Clinton emails. How do you compare the Benghazi attack with the Iraq war? I'd say the Iraq war was significantly more important to America and the world. Compare the number of causalities alone let alone the results of that war which included the formation of ISIS, creation of increased volatility and bloodshed in the region and a huge cost paid "off-budget."
 

FollowTheWay

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What part of NO CLASSIFIED MATERIAL are you having trouble understanding?
I don't understand the relevance of your question. Can you prove that the Bush administration emails contained NO CLASSIFIED MATERIAL? If you can, I'll be surprised because (acting in contempt of Congress) they refused to turn those emails over. They are still not available for scrutiny.
 

InTheLight

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The use of the RNC private server was secret and therefore its location was secret. These emails were potentially far more dangerous than the Clinton emails. How do you compare the Benghazi attack with the Iraq war?

Name the highest ranking Bush administration official that used the RNC email server. Name the highest ranking Bush administration official that used the RNC email server to discuss the Iraq War. You can't even say for sure if the Iraq War was discussed.

I can name the fact that Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and used a private email server to conduct government business.
 

FollowTheWay

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Name the highest ranking Bush administration official that used the RNC email server. Name the highest ranking Bush administration official that used the RNC email server to discuss the Iraq War. You can't even say for sure if the Iraq War was discussed.

I can name the fact that Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State and used a private email server to conduct government business.
The highest raking Bush official that used the private email server that I'm aware of was Sec. of State Colin Powell. That's been discussed publicly. For all I know Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld also used it but since Bush refused to turn over the emails that can't be proved (yet).
 

InTheLight

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The highest raking Bush official that used the private email server that I'm aware of was Sec. of State Colin Powell. That's been discussed publicly. For all I know Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld also used it but since Bush refused to turn over the emails that can't be proved (yet).
I've been Googling and I haven't seen a mention of any admin official using the email server at the RNC.

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TCassidy

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I don't understand the relevance of your question. Can you prove that the Bush administration emails contained NO CLASSIFIED MATERIAL? If you can, I'll be surprised because (acting in contempt of Congress) they refused to turn those emails over. They are still not available for scrutiny.
Do you understand the concept of "burden of proof?"

And are you ignorant of the fact that all the emails are accounted for?

And that none contained classified material?
 

carpro

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So, you support increased theft of assets belonging to people who have not been convicted or even charged with a crime?

I won't agree with everything he does, but that doesn't alter my support for someone with integrity in that office. At last.


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Reynolds

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Do you understand the concept of "burden of proof?"

And are you ignorant of the fact that all the emails are accounted for?

And that none contained classified material?
I do not believe any Democrat, especially the ones in the media, understand burden of proof.
 

Calminian

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I support Jeff Sessions. Period.

We have not had an AG with integrity for awhile. We do now.

Period? Really? So Sessions could do the worst job ever for a sitting President, and you'll tolerate just because you like him and think he has integrity? This is silly.

Think about it. Would you let any doctor, no matter how incompetent, treat your child, if you knew he had integrity? Would you let an incompetent mechanic work on your family vehicle, so long as he was a nice guy and super honest?

I like Sessions also, and am grateful for many of his causes. But I want competence. He could be the be most righteous guy on earth. If he's dropping the ball he's doing damage to the country.

I'm willing to be patient for a little longer, but there's no 'period.' Either perform or resign.
 

carpro

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Period? Really? So Sessions could do the worst job ever for a sitting President, and you'll tolerate just because you like him and think he has integrity? This is silly.

Think about it. Would you let any doctor, no matter how incompetent, treat your child, if you knew he had integrity? Would you let an incompetent mechanic work on your family vehicle, so long as he was a nice guy and super honest?

I like Sessions also, and am grateful for many of his causes. But I want competence. He could be the be most righteous guy on earth. If he's dropping the ball he's doing damage to the country.

I'm willing to be patient for a little longer, but there's no 'period.' Either perform or resign.

Your ignorant rant is duly noted.


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FollowTheWay

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I've been Googling and I haven't seen a mention of any admin official using the email server at the RNC.

Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.

Well, it took me one search.
THE SHOCKING TRUTH: COLIN POWELL’S EMAILS DON’T MATTER
The shocking truth: Colin Powell’s emails don’t matter

What I was trying to point out is that what the Trump people wanted to sent Hillary Clinton to prison for was standard practice at the time and the same thing was done both by Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. None of these practices constitutes a violation of the law.

"Powell and Rice, like all modern secretaries of state, each had at least two email accounts—one personal and the other for communications designated as highly classified at the time of their creation. For classified information, both of them—and their aides with appropriate clearance—had a sensitive compartmentalized information facility, or what is known in intelligence circles as a SCIF. Most senior officials who deal with classified information have a SCIF in their offices and their homes."

In fact there's some evidence that Colin Powell recommended to Hillary that she use two servers as well.

"So did Powell and the aides to Rice violate rules governing classified information, since the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) staff has recently determined that some of their years-old personal emails contain top-secret material? No. The rules regarding the handling of classified information apply to communications designated as secret at that time. If documents that aren’t deemed classified, and aren’t handled through a SCIF when they are created or initially transmitted, are later, in retrospect, deemed secret, the classification is new—and however the record was handled in the past is irrelevant."

"Plus, both Powell and Rice had the authority, granted by President George W. Bush through executive order, to classify and declassify any document created by the State Department. So if either of them had received an email from another agency containing information that had not gone through a SCIF, he or she could have independently declared that it did not need to be secret and sent it along to anyone they chose."

So the GOP Sec. of State had the advantage over Hillary in that they could immediately declassify classified emails that were received by them.

My point is this whole Republican strategy to take down Hillary because of this "crime" had no merit from the beginning. It was dirty politics.
 

FollowTheWay

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Do you understand the concept of "burden of proof?"

And are you ignorant of the fact that all the emails are accounted for?

And that none contained classified material?
Obviously, Donald Trump does not recognize the concept. he has made all kinds of unsupported assertions both in the campaign and during his Presidency which have been immediately accepted as gospel by his unthinking followers.

1. Hillary broke the law concerning the use of a private email server.
2. Hillary has a terminal disease.
3. He did not have any contact with Russia during the campaign.
4. His Inaugural crowd was the largest in history.
5. There are huge numbers of people who voted fraudulently in the 2016 election. (There were some including one known to a member of this board but not reported.)
6. Mexican immigrants are responsible for more crime percentage-wise than native-born Americans.
7. It's consistent with the Constitution to determine who can immigrate to the U.S. based on religion.
8. Crime is at an all-time high.
9. The number of abortions are going up.
10. We need more military spending.
11. EVERYONE will receive "THE BEST" medical care under his proposals.
12. The rich need a tax break even thou the cost of the last two wars were "off-budget."
13. Reducing taxes on the rich helps the poor (trickle-down economics."
14. We no longer need NATO.
15. There will be no conflicts on interest in his administration between his business interests and his responsibilities as President.
16. There are no more facts, only ratings (articulated by

These are the ones I can come up with in 5 min. There are m,any, many more.

Here's a running list compiled by The New York Times:

T r u m p ’ s L i e s
President Trump’s Lies, the Definitive List
 

InTheLight

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Well, it took me one search.
THE SHOCKING TRUTH: COLIN POWELL’S EMAILS DON’T MATTER
The shocking truth: Colin Powell’s emails don’t matter

What I was trying to point out is that what the Trump people wanted to sent Hillary Clinton to prison for was standard practice at the time and the same thing was done both by Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. None of these practices constitutes a violation of the law.

"Powell and Rice, like all modern secretaries of state, each had at least two email accounts—one personal and the other for communications designated as highly classified at the time of their creation. For classified information, both of them—and their aides with appropriate clearance—had a sensitive compartmentalized information facility, or what is known in intelligence circles as a SCIF. Most senior officials who deal with classified information have a SCIF in their offices and their homes."

In fact there's some evidence that Colin Powell recommended to Hillary that she use two servers as well.

"So did Powell and the aides to Rice violate rules governing classified information, since the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) staff has recently determined that some of their years-old personal emails contain top-secret material? No. The rules regarding the handling of classified information apply to communications designated as secret at that time. If documents that aren’t deemed classified, and aren’t handled through a SCIF when they are created or initially transmitted, are later, in retrospect, deemed secret, the classification is new—and however the record was handled in the past is irrelevant."

"Plus, both Powell and Rice had the authority, granted by President George W. Bush through executive order, to classify and declassify any document created by the State Department. So if either of them had received an email from another agency containing information that had not gone through a SCIF, he or she could have independently declared that it did not need to be secret and sent it along to anyone they chose."

So the GOP Sec. of State had the advantage over Hillary in that they could immediately declassify classified emails that were received by them.

My point is this whole Republican strategy to take down Hillary because of this "crime" had no merit from the beginning. It was dirty politics.

You have not linked Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice's emails with the RNC server where 22 million emails were allegedly lost. You have only shown that Powell also used a private email address.
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...most of Clinton’s predecessors did not regularly use email. Just four former secretaries of state have held the job during the prominence of electronic communications: Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright.

According to MSNBC, an aide for Albright said she "did not use email while she was in office" from 1997 to 2001. And Rice, head of the State Department from 2005-09, was not a habitual emailer either, according to multiple reports.

So that leaves Powell, a regular email user, as Clinton’s only predecessor who serves as a useful comparison. When we reached out to the Clinton campaign, they pointed us to Powell.

Like Clinton, Powell used a personal email address. However, there’s a big difference: Clinton hosted her email on a private server located in her home. Powell did not.

Many politicians use private addresses, but private servers like the one Clinton used are rarely seen, said John Wonderlich, a policy director at the Sunlight Foundation, a nonpartisan group focused on government transparency, for a prior PolitiFact story.

Hillary Clinton said 'my predecessors did the same thing' with email




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InTheLight

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A reaction typical of those with no rebuttal.

No rebuttal is needed to hypothetical questions (Would you let an incompetent mechanic work on your car?...).

Furthermore, Sessions hasn't really done anything to show he is incompetent. Maybe Trump is the dummy for not interviewing Sessions regarding whether or not he would recuse himself from the Russian investigation. Maybe Trump didn't do his due diligence.
 
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