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[Thinkingstuff]

They definitely believe in the second blessing stuff.

Know who one of the most prominent Nazarenes in Christian culture is?

I'll give you a hint.

James Dobson - some have actually suggested he believes that he has received the second blessing and it without sin.

I wouldn't have guessed that of James Dobson! Does he believe that a perfect sinless state can be acheived in this life? He doesn't seem legalistic to me. But then I only listened to him on the radio occassionally. I really haven't read much of his work save some family things.

 

[webdog]

I wonder what you must think. I'm often the guy defending Catholics suggesting that they too are our brothers in the Lord despite our differences and often find that many of the times they say what we do just with different phrases and meanings from how it generally is understood. However, being around every group of Christian from Catholics to extreme fundemental baptist (ones that don't believe women should cut their hair and women should only wear dresses and hold primarily to the KJO view) to fundemantal pentecostals Or Holiness churches I can take just about any view and run with it.

I thought you must have hit your head or started attending an IFB church recently

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I thought you must have hit your head or started attending an IFB church recently

My church is having problems and we almost did because of the kids group. I can't swallow the KJO though. The people are nice if not a little judgemental. But I fell comfortable enough fellowshiping after all we sing the same hymns.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

They definitely believe in the second blessing stuff.

Know who one of the most prominent Nazarenes in Christian culture is?

I'll give you a hint.

James Dobson - some have actually suggested he believes that he has received the second blessing and it without sin.

Actually, Looking at a Nazarene site it seems these guys are very close to Holiness pentecostals who both connect themselves to Weslyan Holiness. So, Yeah I think I can do them. Just Less COGOP (Church of God of Prophesy) charism with the shouting and running the aisles. Though I'll need a white hankercheif. And if any one swoons let me know.

We are called to be a holy sanctified people of God. God cannot empower you if you aren't leading your life under his lordship. Celebrating Christmas in this sense can be very problematic under Christ's Lordship as we seek to gain his blessings because we are allying ourselves with the world's values.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And why not? It is God that provides, and gives to us the Bread, and the Wine.

Sarcasm brother & if you know me...big sarcasm..lol

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I wonder what you must think. I'm often the guy defending Catholics suggesting that they too are our brothers in the Lord despite our differences and often find that many of the times they say what we do just with different phrases and meanings from how it generally is understood. However, being around every group of Christian from Catholics to extreme fundemental baptist (ones that don't believe women should cut their hair and women should only wear dresses and hold primarily to the KJO view) to fundemantal pentecostals Or Holiness churches I can take just about any view and run with it.

It's good to be the King...LOL

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Lets just have a group hug, Toast Christmas with an alcoholic drink of choice & leave the Legalism to the Legalistic. Amen

BTW..... the new LED lights are great (energy efficient & look good too). I also put a big plastic Frosty out in the front yard & we sing Christmas carols & drink hot coco with marshmallow's ....OK? :tongue3:

 

[ituttut]

It is not UN-BIBLICAL to celebrate Lent. I do not observe it myself - as there is no instruction by the Apostles, but to say it is wrong is completely off base. Many Baptist consider Friday as the day Christ die - if the day was that important - I believe that the Bible would have been more specific ie the 6th day of the week. Now the day of the resurrection is very important - the First Day of the Week! PTL (Personally, I am a Thursday crucification day)

Hi Salty. I also don't observe, and I agree the apostolic church of the Jew had reason to observed for this is of their heritage. That is snot my heritage.

I'm a Wednesday man as it is the only dayy that is possible to accomplish three full days, and nights in the earth. I see in His Word two risings, and the first is on the Saturday Sabbath.

 

[shodan]

Celebrate AND Witness

Seems the part that gets lost on many Christians it that Christmas is a very opportune time to point others to Christ.

We should be thinking ahead and staying alert for those opportunities.

 

[jaigner]

Actually, Looking at a Nazarene site it seems these guys are very close to Holiness pentecostals who both connect themselves to Weslyan Holiness. So, Yeah I think I can do them. Just Less COGOP (Church of God of Prophesy) charism with the shouting and running the aisles. Though I'll need a white hankercheif. And if any one swoons let me know.

We are called to be a holy sanctified people of God. God cannot empower you if you aren't leading your life under his lordship. Celebrating Christmas in this sense can be very problematic under Christ's Lordship as we seek to gain his blessings because we are allying ourselves with the world's values.

Yes!!! This thread just got even better.

 

[DHK]

There are Baptist churches that celebrate Ash Wednesday.

Does that disqualify them as Christians?

No, IMO it would disqualify them as Baptists.

 

[DHK]

It's called the liturgical calendar. Christians of all denominations have been following it for years. Check it out.

Not all denominations have been following it.
Not all denominations qualify as being Christian.
Not all in all denominations are Christian.
There may be some in all denominations that may be Christian, but that would be in spite of the denomination, not because of it.
Most Baptist denominations do NOT follow a liturgical calendar.

 

[jaigner]

No, IMO it would disqualify them as Baptists.

That's completely asinine. They are traditions that help in the remembrance of Christ's life. It is about remembrance and devotion. Most people celebrate some of it...holy week...Christmas...more and more Baptists all the time are celebrating Advent.

To say it disqualifies them as Baptists is unnecessarily pejorative and divisive. Beyond that, it's ridiculous.

Not all denominations have been following it.
Not all denominations qualify as being Christian.
Not all in all denominations are Christian.
There may be some in all denominations that may be Christian, but that would be in spite of the denomination, not because of it.
Most Baptist denominations do NOT follow a liturgical calendar.

When did I say that all in all denominations are Christians? I didn't. When did I say all denominations have been following it? I didn't. When did I say most Baptist denominations do NOT follow a liturgical calendar? I didn't. I happen to follow it for the most part and am part of a church that does, as well.

This reflects a thorough and complete misunderstanding of what I said.

Of course, most of us follow at least a few selected parts of it. Funny that they celebrate the feasts but not the fasts.

 

[DHK]

That's completely asinine. They are traditions that help in the remembrance of Christ's life. It is about remembrance and devotion. Most people celebrate some of it...holy week...Christmas...more and more Baptists all the time are celebrating Advent.

To say it disqualifies them as Baptists is unnecessarily pejorative and divisive. Beyond that, it's ridiculou.

No, they are not simply traditions. Traditions have meanings. And if you are not willing to follow through with the meaning of the tradition then you ought to stay away from the tradition. This tradition is mainly Roman Catholic. Even apart from Roman Catholicism what is the meaning of it:

Ash Wednesday is a day of repentance and it marks the beginning of Lent. Ashes were used in ancient times, according to the Bible, to express mourning. Dusting oneself with ashes was the penitent's way of expressing sorrow for sins and faults. An ancient example of one expressing one's penitence is found in Job 42:3-6. Job says to God: "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. The other eye wandereth of its own accord. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes." (vv. 5-6, KJV) The prophet Jeremiah, for example, calls for repentance this way: "O daughter of my people, gird on sackcloth, roll in the ashes" (Jer 6:26).The prophet Daniel pleaded for God this way: "I turned to the Lord God, pleading in earnest prayer, with fasting, sackcloth and ashes" (Daniel 9:3). Just prior to the New Testament period, the rebels fighting for Jewish independence, the Maccabees, prepared for battle using ashes: "That day they fasted and wore sackcloth; they sprinkled ashes on their heads and tore their clothes" (1 Maccabees 3:47; see also 4:39).

Other examples are found in several other books of the Bible including, Numbers 19:9, 19:17, Jonah 3:6, Matthew 11:21, and Luke 10:13, and Hebrews 9:13. Ezekiel 9 also speaks of a linen-clad messenger marking the forehead of the city inhabitants that have sorrow over the sins of the people. All those without the mark are destroyed.
It marks the start of a forty day period which is an allusion to the separation of Jesus in the desert to fast and pray. During this time he was tempted. Matthew 4:1-11, Mark 1:12-13, and Luke 4:1-13.[12] While not specifically instituted in the Bible text, the 40 day period of repentance is also analogous to the 40 days during which Moses repented and fasted in response to the making of the Golden calf. (Jews today follow a 40 day period of repenting during the High Holy Days from Rosh Chodesh Elul to Yom Kippur.)
In Victorian England, theatres refrained from presenting costumed shows on Ash Wednesday, so they provided other entertainments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday

How much time do you spend in repentance and in genuine mourning over the sins that you have repented of during this day? Does the day have THAT much meaning to you, or is it just one of those meaningless traditions that marks up a calendar.

Its association with Catholicism is all the more to stay away from it.
Come from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord.
Have no fellowship with the works of darkness.
The message of the RCC is indeed a message of darkness that sends people to hell. It is a message of works and not of grace. One cannot believe in the message of the RCC and go to heaven. Why be associated with those who preach a hellish message of a false gospel??

 

[Old Union Brother]

No, they are not simply traditions. Traditions have meanings. And if you are not willing to follow through with the meaning of the tradition then you ought to stay away from the tradition. This tradition is mainly Roman Catholic. Even apart from Roman Catholicism what is the meaning of it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday

How much time do you spend in repentance and in genuine mourning over the sins that you have repented of during this day? Does the day have THAT much meaning to you, or is it just one of those meaningless traditions that marks up a calendar.

Its association with Catholicism is all the more to stay away from it.
Come from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord.
Have no fellowship with the works of darkness.
The message of the RCC is indeed a message of darkness that sends people to hell. It is a message of works and not of grace. One cannot believe in the message of the RCC and go to heaven. Why be associated with those who preach a hellish message of a false gospel??

Great post.

It reminds me of a day a few years ago one of my students asked me what I was giving up for lent. I replied that I didn't have enough to give up. I told then that I could come no where near sacrificing what Jesus sacrificed for me.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

No, they are not simply traditions. Traditions have meanings. And if you are not willing to follow through with the meaning of the tradition then you ought to stay away from the tradition. This tradition is mainly Roman Catholic. Even apart from Roman Catholicism what is the meaning of it:

Does all this mean that I am not a Baptist if I eat pancakes on Pancake Tuesday?

 

[targus]

No, IMO it would disqualify them as Baptists.

What happened to soul liberty?

 

[webdog]

No, IMO it would disqualify them as Baptists.

Better make a motion to kick Tiny Tim out of his baptist association, then. Besides, the majority of baptists I know hold to the Roman Catholic doctrine of original sin by Augustine.

 

[ituttut]

Sarcasm brother & if you know me...big sarcasm..lol

Can you define your use of LOL? Lots of Luck, or Laugh Out Loud.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Can you define your use of LOL? Lots of Luck, or Laugh Out Loud.

Yes I could