Ahhh, as apposed to what?
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Ahhh, as apposed to what?
OH, and just when I was finishing reading that tract you sent me!!! :tongue3:
I've been trying to be a good boy.. honestly I have..
Over the last few yrs, my salvation, and baptistosity.. .(is that a word) has been challenged by a few here that want to keep people in the bondage of their convictions.. .
I was called everything and anything a few weeks ago because I choose to follow spiritual disciplines that ancient christians have followed..
It seems that the judgmental attitude of legalistic Christians must make some feel good. It must make some feel good to think that God loves them more, or that they are more holy, or that they are better, God fearing Christians than those of us BAPTISTs that worship God a little differently than their southern US standards.
I'm proud to be a part of ABC/USA... We have many different worship styles.. And I love them all. No ritual makes you more holy, and no ritual makes you less holy...
I have celebrated Ash Wed. Lent, Maundy Thursday, Easter, Christmas, Hanging of the Greens, Advent, Etc
I have preached out of the Lit. Calendar, and I meditate, fast, pray, study, and many other disciplines.. Including Prayer walks and mazes. (Uh OH.. shouldn't have let that slip!)
But this doesn't make me holier than others that choose not to.
Just because Catholics do something doesn't mean it is wrong!..
I'm afraid too many Baptists are allergic to anything catholic.
Some may not consider me Baptist.. that's OK.. I am.
And I am part of a Baptist Denomination that doesn't bind others to man made standards.. .we have a diversity of worship styles, and I for one think it's great.. .
Sourpusses should try it sometimes..
OH, thanks Webdog... LOL.. for dragging me into this!.. One day I'll pay you back!... Love you bro!
Biblical truth.
Tim, you're really out of bounds here. Don't you know that Baptists don't fast?
I agree you should not expose yourself, when in doubt.
You have such a way with words.
I do know what the day represents, thank you very much. I'm not just filling up the calendar. I find it to be a sobering reminder of the weight of sin. This is about worship, participation, and devotion. It's not something I have to do.
Frankly friend, your attitude toward Catholics is shocking, coming from a professing believer. Even so, there is no guilt by association here. The liturgical calendar has been observed by Christians of nearly all denominations. I went to a Catholic church one time and they sang "How Great Thou Art." Maybe we shouldn't sing that any more. Heck, they use organ music. That's out now. I can't believe I even breathe the same air as they. I'm so rebellious!
Neither does observing the liturgical calendar indicate a belief in the Catholic message, though the statement that one cannot possibly come to faith as a part of the Catholic church is one of the most disturbing and misguided things I have ever read on the BB.
Though it's probably safe to say that most in the Catholic church are still in darkness, there are many that, no doubt, have come to legitimate, saving faith in Christ. Some of them leave, some stay, but the grace of Christ can cover doctrinal error.
Sweet mercy....it's just not worth it.
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These are all wonderful points. It's so funny (and tragic) that so many baptists believe their highly contextualized practices are the ones people should hold to for eternity.
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All you have to do is look at my girth to know this is true.
So now you don't fast and you sympathize with Catholics?
You're on a one-way ticket now, dude.
Blessings.
Thinkingstuff
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I feel the fire flickering at my toes. LOL.
Oh that is hilarious.....stay in Cleveland. :tongue3:
I had no plans on leaving, the Browns are starting to turn the corner.
Like I said earlier, you have an odd sense of humor if biblical truth is amusing.
Oh Lord, you cant be serious ....or are you .... yea you are unfortunately, OHhhhhh! Trust me Web you wouldn't understand it if it hit you in the head.... Oh wait it did but you rejected it so why would I give a wit? Here is a clue....I dont. So go on your merry way & I will do the same. OK!
I'm glad you are going on your merry way...I'm sure you have another thread to troll on.
Thats the best you got....hardly worth the effort then.
I don't find any liturgy in the Bible. In fact some believe that the bondage of ritualism found in liturgy is the sin of "the doctrine of Jezebel" found in Revelation. I am not saying that I necessarily agree with that position, but we do know that Jesus condemned ritualism.
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them,
9 Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:6-9)
Your liturgies and ritualism are commandments of men
In vain worship is done, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. The laying aside of the commandment of God is done, and the traditions of men have taken precedent.
Liturgical usage is guilt by association.
No, it has been used by almost all apostate denominations.
In recent years the RCC has been quite syncrestic wherever it goes. When I was Catholic the Mass was all in Latin. They would never do that now. Now they incorporate Hindu culture (and religion), and in Islamic nations they incorporate Muslim culture (and religion), into their religion. They have become very syncrestic. Whereas the Bible says: "Come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord."
There is no message of salvation in the Catholic Church. I was there for 20 years. I never heard it once. I have studied it. It is a message of works. Works don't save. If you believe that you need to wake up.
Grace of God does not cover damnable heresies as Peter put it. The heresies of the RCC direct people straight to hell. You can put the RCC into one of two categories: 1) a false world religion, or 2) a cult. It does not belong under the category of Christianity.
Why does it have to be in the Bible? We do a heck of a lot of things that are not in the Bible in our churches. This is a tradition of devotion and remembrance. To those who celebrate and are in Christ, it is nothing close to ritualism.
Do you celebrate Advent? Christmas? Holy week? Easter? If so, you're already participating.
They're not commandments. It's purely worshipful devotion and remembrance. The Word is preached, the gospel is heard, and we remember the life of Christ during the year.
I can't believe I'm hearing this. This is a horrific, terrible thing to say. There are many, many evangelical Christians who follow the Church calender.
When did I say I believed that? Your paranoia is causing you to put words in my mouth.
Heresies of the "RCC" would include things like salvation according to works. It has nothing to do with following the liturgical calender.
Friend, I would suggest you pray about this attitude of yours. I know many Catholics who have come to Christ and I know many former Catholics who came to faith while still a part of the Catholic church.
We may have split many, many years ago, but we are the same Church.
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