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Baptist View of Drinking and Smoking

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Dale-c

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To legalize any drug, marijuana or alcohol, for non-medicinal uses is wrong. Both are very potent and a person needs to be under a Doctors care before taking any significant amount (such as a glass of wine). Their family medical history should be examined to determine if it is in their best interests. Whether legal or not, if someone needs that drug to remain healthy, they should have a right to it.
Wrong by who's standards?
I fail to see a Biblical warrant for the regulating of substances in the Bible.

Whithout Biblical basis, it is just your opinion which is no better than anyone elses.

What we DO see in the Bible is a responsibility of civil government to punish those who harm other, whether it is due to drunkeness or whatever.

So the Biblical answer to drunkeness and drub abuse etc it to punish those who harm others by their actions.

Something tells me that doing things God's way would be much more successful than the way we do it now.
 

Joe

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Dale-c said:
Wrong by who's standards?
I fail to see a Biblical warrant for the regulating of substances in the Bible.

Whithout Biblical basis, it is just your opinion which is no better than anyone elses.

What we DO see in the Bible is a responsibility of civil government to punish those who harm other, whether it is due to drunkeness or whatever.

So the Biblical answer to drunkeness and drub abuse etc it to punish those who harm others by their actions.

Something tells me that doing things God's way would be much more successful than the way we do it now.

If you are comfortable answering, do you have children?
 

Joe

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Dale-c said:
Yes, I have one daughter. SHe is the one in the picture on my profile.
Ok, that's what I thought. I am sure as a parent, you want to do the very best you can.

Here is a study in which the participants are her age (or very close). I first saw it on MSNBC on television.

"Parents who smoke or drink influence the behavior of their children at a surprisingly young age, the Associated Press reported Sept. 5.
Researchers studied the behavior of 120 children ages 2 to 6 who were told to choose from 133 items to get a Barbie doll ready for a night on the town. The study demonstrated that preschoolers whose parents smoked were more likely to choose cigarettes as part of the ensemble, while those whose parents drank were more likely to choose wine or beer. Moreover, children who watched R or PG-13 movies at home were five times more likely to choose alcohol.

Overall, 28 percent of the children chose cigarettes, and 61 percent chose alcohol. Those whose parents smoked were about four times more likely to pick out cigarettes, while those whose parents drank monthly or more frequently were three times more likely to choose alcohol.

Study participants were mostly white, and their parents were mostly college-educated. Study co-author Madeline Dalton of Dartmouth Medical School said parents who watched the study through a two-way mirror were often shocked at their children's actions. "It's a very humbling experience to be a parent and see your children mimic your behaviors," she said.

The study was published in the September 2005 issue of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine."
http://www.jointogether.org/news/research/summaries/2005/young-children-emulate-habits.html
 
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Dale-c

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Joe, I understand your concern over drug and alchohol abuse but I disagree that strong legislation is the cure for the problem.

From what I can see and have read, the problems have only gotten worse with legislation.

Look what happened with prohibition. It was a mess.

If someones drunkeness causes someone harm, he should be responsible.
Otherwise, it is not anyones business.
 

Joe

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Dale-c said:
Joe, I understand your concern over drug and alchohol abuse but I disagree that strong legislation is the cure for the problem.

Maybe I missed it, but where did we talk about legislation? You can ignore this question (if you choose). It's a can of worms, a broad topic. Could derail the thread.
 

Dale-c

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Maybe I missed it, but where did we talk about legislation at all? You can forego this question if it take longer than a few seconds to answer. Maybe that could be a topic for another thread if there is interest.
Perhaps I misread your post. I do not have time to go back and read it tonight but I will try later.

Have a good evening and God bless you as your study His word!
 

Joe

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Ok I know what you are referring to now.

Thanks & God bless you too
 
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youngmom4

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Joe said:
What is this, a joke? Did you read the post before replying?

Dude, you really don't take any kind of criticism well at all, do you? Of course I read your post...I don't make it a habit to respond to posts I haven't read. :laugh:

As my post stated many times, I do not agree with drugs being used for non-medicinal purposes, including alcohol. But I don't view it as sin necessarily either.


[This is not to you Ann, but some select others. If you all are so hell bent on doing drugs then why don't you try Marijuana? It is lesser of the two evils. If you only take a hit, that should do. Two hits may be too much. The only sin I can see is if it is illegal. That personally doesn't bother me. If I needed to, I would smoke it. It is legal here anyway so there isn't a problem.
If you are going to drink alcohol., then I suggest you decide whether you feel it is sin. It is likely sinning worse than purchasing some weed from a friend. In fact, you don't know what they put in that bottle of alcohol, probably many other drugs (even a worm ) and you can probably trust your friend/acquaintance much easier. The fact is, in most situations, you are risking breaking the law by just ingesting the small amount of alcohol anyway. If there was an emergency, you know you have already decided you would drive if needed.

The effects of weed do not put one at the level of risk the alcohol does. It preserves your earthly tent better. I am not promoting either one, both are drugs which are bad for your body. Drugs should never be used for non-medicinal purposes. But since most here seem to want to promote drugs (alcohol) for non-medicinal purposes, this is why I am saying it.
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If you are not promoting drug usage here, then why even post this? Yes, I see your references to not using any kind of drug for non-medicinal purposes, which really means squat to me. The fact is, you are suggesting that a person would be better to smoke an illegal drug than to drink a legal glass of wine. I completely disagree with your idea that alcohol does more damage than weed, but considering where you live, I'm not surprised that you hold that opinion. You would have gotten along very well with people in my sociology class last term; they promoted the same thing you are, which is a major contributing factor to my switching to Liberty University for the new term. :thumbs:

No again. He would not misunderstand as you have. He generally reads posts before responding.
Again, so do I. I know you don't want to believe that right now, but I read any post I intend to respond to.

Interesting. I also grew up in a similar household, smoking weed at times as a very young child, but as I got into middle school, became and remained very straight. I don't count those early years, don't remember them well. After that, at my age of accountablity (11yrs up) I smoked pot very rarely. Grew up around drugs, family and friends, including my own friends using drugs and alcohol, know it well. Never cared for it.
Interesting...adult members of my family smoked it, but they never would have dreamed of giving it to one of us kids. This could be part of the problem with your logical thinking process.

If you read my post, it is citing the dangers of alcohol such as it often causes violent behavior. Any cop can attest to the damage of alcohol being much worse than marijuana. Domestic violence, child abuse, killings, assult are not caused by stoners. We have one retired Cop who posts here. Where we live, marijuana is perscribed for everything from headaches to a stubbed toe. There are no regulations, so it's being misused as a social drug. It is legal to buy it from an authorized friend, most here buy it from people they already know who are authorized to grow and sell it. It's a small town, people know one another. All you need is a perscription, but of course, some don't have it though it is easy to get. We have no marijuana pharmacies, just a marijuana club. The wholeset-up is very shabby. Ordinary people acting as pharmacists to other "patients'
You know, I am honestly in complete disbelief that you can really believe this. Marijuana causes just as many, if not more, problems than alcohol. See, I can attest to that from the personal experience of getting the crap beat out of me and my sister by a father who got high on a daily basis. To this day, I can tell when I talk to him on the phone whether or not he's been smoking pot because it alters his entire personality. As to the ease of buying the junk where you live...well...I'd move. There is no way I could live in the midst of that kind of crap going on on a daily basis.


Wrong again. Marijuana is legal in MANY states. Aren't you a law student?
Yes, I am...glad you remembered. And every class in which I've studied drugs, marijuana is still classified as an illegal drug. Just because your liberal state decided to make it legal, which I was unaware of before now, does not mean that the states in the Bible belt, which still retain at least some measure of good sense, have chosen to do so.


We already had a misunderstanding due to your not reading my posts. Either read them fully before attacking or posting anything negative, or don't reply to them at all. Or at least ask for clarification first. I may edit the post later. Ed just posted to me using the word Joe, yet it wasn't directed at me. Somehow I just knew he wouldn't talk to me that way, so please give me the benefit of the doubt.
Again, you claim that I did not read your posts, when in fact, I did. I don't know where you got the idea that I didn't. I misinterpreted an emoticon you used in the post you're referring to, but I did read the whole post before I posted a response to you. My response to you here really has nothing to do with Ed's response that you thought was addressed to you...it had to do with the fact that you seemed to be puzzled over the possibility that someone would have an issue with your condoning marijuana usage.

Weed is legal in many STATES and it doesn't cause more damage than a glass of wine or beer. (To one's health or society at large)
There is a word for this statement that would not be polite to use here, so I will refrain from doing so. If you think hard enough, I'm sure you can read my mind as to what that word is.
 

Dr. Bob

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This thread is past 10 pages and deteriorating, so it will be "drug" off the active list.
 
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