"Baptist"

[Yeshua1]

So if a person no longer follows Christ as a disciple that negates their eternal Salvation?... First of all where is the grace in that?... If they did nothing to get it as I believe and I believe the Bible teaches, how can you lose something you didn't earn in the first place?... One more thing, is it up to you to say who is saved and who is not?... Are you a heart reader?... God knows his children!... I know you are a firm believer in election... Me too... If one is elected can the same one elected, un elect themselves?... Brother Glen

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

I think that you misunderstood my point, as the end result of church discpline should be into getting the pwerson to repent/confess/ have restoration back to God and be in good standing among the bethren once again.
I was just suggesting that the problem may at times be that the person acting sinfully may not ven been saved yet.

 

[Yeshua1]

Forget that nonsense about discipline will ya. You cant stand up there like a roman pope & start legislating who is right & who is wrong based on your individual faith practices. Up here you'd be told to get stuffed & then they would walk out. The fact of the matter is that Baptistic baptism is nothing but a call to be a member of a particular community, nothing more. God will not punish you, castigate you or ridicule you, or keep you from Him.....thats the function of a church playing God.

Jesus and paul commanded us as the church when assembled together to exercise dusciplinr in our ranks, to cast out those who hav e false theology/teachings, and also to pressure thiose who claim to be a Christian and yet are opennly living in unrependent sin...

 

[Yeshua1]

You think that but its not. Just another stupid tradition.

Stupid to respect God?

 

[JonShaff]

Stupid to respect God?

no, it's a silly notion to think wearing a suit and tie is to show respect to God.

 

[Yeshua1]

So if a person no longer follows Christ as a disciple that negates their eternal Salvation?... First of all where is the grace in that?... If they did nothing to get it as I believe and I believe the Bible teaches, how can you lose something you didn't earn in the first place?... One more thing, is it up to you to say who is saved and who is not?... Are you a heart reader?... God knows his children!... I know you are a firm believer in election... Me too... If one is elected can the same one elected, un elect themselves?... Brother Glen

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Apostle paul disagrees with you on not having church discipline exercised when required, as he roasted the Corinth church for NOT doing that in 1 Corinthians 5:1!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Jesus and paul commanded us as the church when assembled together to exercise dusciplinr in our ranks, to cast out those who hav e false theology/teachings, and also to pressure thiose who claim to be a Christian and yet are opennly living in unrependent sin...

Then you got your work cut out for you.... I would even go so far as to say your overwhelmed.

 

[canadyjd]

I do not agree with those who state thebaptist church started in Acts, but would agree that what they taught and held with would be pretty much Baptist!

I agree and believe there has been a continuous Christain fellowship since the beginning of the church. I don't believe there is a need to identify it day by day all the way back.

 

[JonC]

They sound somewhat different from real KJVO then, as those churches mandate the use of the Kjv BOTH in church and at Home settings, as being the only valid transaltion to use. many churches use the same translation for church, so that is nothing new, as have sen Niv/Esv/Nas as well as kjv for that!

Yea, they are different. The pastor said he is KJO, not KJ hateful....something like that.

 

[JonC]

They sound somewhat different from real KJVO then, as those churches mandate the use of the Kjv BOTH in church and at Home settings, as being the only valid transaltion to use. many churches use the same translation for church, so that is nothing new, as have sen Niv/Esv/Nas as well as kjv for that!

I made sure of this before considering attending. KJVO (that's it is the only real Bible) IS the heresy of double inspiration in practice.

 

[Yeshua1]

I made sure of this before considering attending. KJVO (that's it is the only real Bible) IS the heresy of double inspiration in practice.

They insist that the Holy Spirit was in the process to translate into English the scriptures in the exact hashion he was with the Apsotles getting the originals down to print!

 

[Yeshua1]

Then you got your work cut out for you.... I would even go so far as to say your overwhelmed.

So when are not under obligation to obey Jesus and pauland exercise church discipline when requitred to be done?

 

[Reformed]

Willfully disobedient to what? May I suggest Baptist movement fellowship. If so, no big deal. My son could care less and my wife refuses to even broach the subject... but at heart she is a Presbyterian. Her idea of baptism is paedo. My consern then is with their salvations and seriously Baptist ordinances are not of consern to them. They both are confident in their spiritual lives.

I am speaking about the ordinance of baptism, not personal convictions. Baptism is the first step of obedience for a believer. Paedobaptists believe that also when it comes to a convert. In fact, paedobaptists consider it a grievous sin worthy of church discipline if a parent refuses to have their infant child baptized, that is how serious they consider the issue. I am a Baptist, so I reject paedobaptism, but the command to be baptized is just that, a command. Refusal to be baptized is sinful.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So when are not under obligation to obey Jesus and pauland exercise church discipline when requitred to be done?

I cant understand you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am speaking about the ordinance of baptism, not personal convictions. Baptism is the first step of obedience for a believer. Paedobaptists believe that also when it comes to a convert. In fact, paedobaptists consider it a grievous sin worthy of church discipline if a parent refuses to have their infant child baptized, that is how serious they consider the issue. I am a Baptist, so I reject paedobaptism, but the command to be baptized is just that, a command. Refusal to be baptized is sinful.

Its not an option for Presbyterians....they were baptized as infants. But nobody disciplines me....nobody but God.

 

[Yeshua1]

I cant understand you

Both jesus and Paul stated that a church must use church discipline when needed in order to bring correction into the assembly. Failure todo such would allow the sin issue to fester and grow much worse!

 

[terrpn]

I made sure of this before considering attending. KJVO (that's it is the only real Bible) IS the heresy of double inspiration in practice.

............being a KJV user myself I find many in the IFB, KJV............ranks take it a little too far as they begin to worship the KJV itself?

Even though I use a KJV.........give me a NWT, Catholic Bible, etc. and I can still lead someone to Christ with it

Mormons use the KJV and they are lost as a goose

 

[tyndale1946]

............being a KJV user myself I find many in the IFB, KJV............ranks take it a little too far as they begin to worship the KJV itself?

Even though I use a KJV.........give me a NWT, Catholic Bible, etc. and I can still lead someone to Christ with it

Mormons use the KJV and they are lost as a goose

That is true I use it too but I let the Lord do the leading, don't you?... Brother Glen

 

[Yeshua1]

............being a KJV user myself I find many in the IFB, KJV............ranks take it a little too far as they begin to worship the KJV itself?

Even though I use a KJV.........give me a NWT, Catholic Bible, etc. and I can still lead someone to Christ with it

Mormons use the KJV and they are lost as a goose

I have read where some see the Word John talked about as being the Kjv prophesied about by God!

 

[JonC]

............being a KJV user myself I find many in the IFB, KJV............ranks take it a little too far as they begin to worship the KJV itself?

Even though I use a KJV.........give me a NWT, Catholic Bible, etc. and I can still lead someone to Christ with it

Mormons use the KJV and they are lost as a goose

Yep. Some do take it too far. They do not understand exactly what a translation is and therefore cannot understand how the KJV and NKJV (and NASC, etc) can all be the Word of God because they read differently in English.

But even here it is a weakness that shouldn't prevent us from uplifting a brother. They still hold God's Word when they hold the KJV (and are only ignorant that I also hold the infallible Word of God when I hold an NIV).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Both jesus and Paul stated that a church must use church discipline when needed in order to bring correction into the assembly. Failure todo such would allow the sin issue to fester and grow much worse!

OK & so???. Lets see....they argue about the color of the carpet, the songs sung, the music, the times for service, the lighting the paint color, the temp of the AC.....blah blah blah. When does this discipline thing kick in?