Baptists are killing themselves!

Thats right Jim! Jesus was narrow minded. He compromised nothing and warned the world that the true path to God was NARROW and hard to find.

Think back through history. The sheer amount of people who stood and died for the truth! Baptists are identified as one of THE major groups that suffered and died because we wouldn't succumb to the Catholic machine of the dark ages.

In todays world we are unloving and intolerant. You tell a catholic that you are a baptist and they will tell you that you are a catholic basher. Also, others that compromise find baptists hard to take. The reason we are considered intolerant is because we seperate from false teachings. We are intolerant of apostate churches and will not fellowship with them. They tried to KILL us!

It is the same lie today with sugary icing on top. Now instead of forcing us to join them or die, we are being invited nicely. We still say "NO THANKS" and are considered intolerant. The only reason we are being invited today instead of forced is due to the fact that catholicisim does not weild the power it once had.

I am not saying other denominations didn't have their hands dirty but it was the catholics that weilded the biggest sword of persecution. They tried to assimilate us back then and they are trying today.

Baptist churches do not agree on everything because we are not a denomination with a headquarters that feeds us with a doctrinal feeding tube.

True baptists are independant churches which answer only to Christ. We are and will remain intolerant of error. We will remember that religion is NOT our friend. It is a hoax created by Satan himself. We must continue to seek the truth above all else. We may get it wrong from time to time and from church to church but if we seek it the bible promises we will find it and the truth will set us free.

Let the rest go! All they are doing by dropping the historical baptist name is going into the melting pot. It is just as well that they leave as the rest of us will not tolerate them.

I heard a funny but almost true quote:" Charasmatics have love without the truth. Baptists have the truth without love".

It's not that we don't love. We are just cautious. We would like to see all saved. But those that choose to reject Gods truth? SEE YA!:thumbs:

 

Thats how you answer when ya got nothing. I am not saying that all christian churches fall into this catagory. We are talking about churches that are dropping the name baptist because they are wussiefied and afraid of offending someone. They are afraid of being accused of standing for what they believe because of the negative feelings it may cause in christiandom. Most of Christiandom is apostate as it is just religion. We are talking about unfed, untaught, compromising, deceived baptists turning in their names while their forefathers turn in their graves.

 

It's not a rant at all. You said you would aways say you were affiliated with the SBC. It doesn't matter if you are pastoring a church without the name baptist attached to it. I am talking about a specific group of people that are changing their names because they haven't read history and are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.

The people I talk about in "my rant" were ana-baptists, waldensens etc. (excuse me if I spelled it wrong) These people were pre- baptists. They were new testament believers before the name baptist came to being. Over 59 million were hunted down and slaughtered during the dark ages because they would not bow to catholicisim. If you would read the historic account you could see that the same thing is happening today, only nicely. Satan doesn't have to kill you physically when his real motive is to deceive you and keep you out of heaven.

Once again I am talking about a specific group of people that are changing their names because they haven't read history and are afraid of hurting peoples feelings.

I am not trying to be hurtful to you in any way. I am just appauled by so called christians so quickly falling into line rather than stand! If you haven't read it, read the article in the link at the beginning of this thread.

 

see next post. This one I messed up.

 

Here is a quote from the article at the beginning of this thread. Quote: “We’re trying to connect with our community,” said Spencer, who said the church’s core values remain much the same. “We want to remove as many obstacles as we can.”
Spencer’s sermons now feature PowerPoint presentations and clips from popular movies. A “worship team” that includes drummers and guitarists replaced the choir and organ music. Though 81 percent of the 400 members approved the name change, for one family, the change was “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” End quote.

Get the picture now?

 

I think the reality is that the church in question doesn't hold to the standards of most baptists.

Quote: Spencer’s sermons now feature PowerPoint presentations and clips from popular movies. A “worship team” that includes drummers and guitarists replaced the choir and organ music. End quote.

Where is the preaching and Godly music? On the outside it appears that this church is more interested in building it's numbers by entertaining people.

Also, the article refers to Baptists changing their name in order to distance themselves from the intolerable and unloving Baptists. I say that baptists for the most part (not all) are very tolerable. The word intolerable here refers in reality to uncompromising. Any Baptist that knowingly compromises scripture is not worthy of the name. Taking a stand for the truth will often be perceived as intolerable.

Remember the bible tells us to be seperate from apostasy. We will not join in with the melting pot that will become the one world religion described in the book of Revelation. It consists of charasmatics, pentacostals and inter-denominational churches. God wants us to be one as He and His Father are one. That is based upon truth.

When you throw in the ecumenical aspect of differing beliefs accompanied by "we all love Jesus so we can worship together", you have now entered what will become the one world religion.

Are they saved people? I don't doubt there are some that are. However most that fit into this catagory think they can lose their salvation which makes it a works based salvation. If you can't do anything to gain it, you can't do anything to lose it. They are normally characterized and unified by speaking in tounges, visions, being slain in the spirit, etc. Their unity is NOT based upon the truth of Gods Word.

You can usually spot this type of church by the type of worship music they have. Not to say that ALL music other than traditional hymns are wrong. There is some very Godly artists out there that edify God. The first sign of decline is the music standards. Godly music edifies God. Charasmatic, ecumenical worship music edifies man. It is lacks doctrine. Since in order to worship within the melting pot you have to drop the walls of division and build bridges of love, the music will consist of "Praise Him, Adore Him type music.

People of this persuasion think the old time hymns are fuddy duddy out dated out moded music. They have replaced traditional choirs and hymns with A “worship team” that includes drummers and guitarists.

Say what you will about traditional hymns but you have to admit that they are chock full of doctrine. They state what the bible portrays concerning the birth, burial, resurrection, blood, cross. salvation, etc.

I don't have a problem with different instruments being used in churches. I do take exception to drums. It is the content of the music and the testamony of the artist that is important and should be to everyone.

Music should be doctrinally correct if it is to be played in church since it is for God.

I used to be charasmatic and know first hand that the worship music was more for me than for God.

Those that are changing their names are doing so either because they don't fit into the traditional baptist distinctives anymore or never did.

I will state again that there are good Godly churches that are not baptist. But if you were and aren't anymore and you fall into the catagories listed above, you are on a slippery slope.

 

Thanks Tiny Tim,
I don't have so much of a problem using Power point as it is simply a tool of technology. As you imply, it is how it is used that matters.

 

And why shouldn't catholicisim leave a bad taste in our mouths? They murdered our forefathers. They are offended because they won't own up to what they did. If they had the power, they would do it again. Most modern catholics are ignorant of their own doctrines or they would run from their cult.

Having catholics attend services is always good. They can hear the truth of Gods word and get saved. We do not hate catholics! We hate catholicisim. Believe what it teaches and you will end up in hell. But when you are interdenominational and allow all belief systems to worship freely with you, you are wrong and are unbiblical. You are clearly allowing error to creep into the church because what God says is no longer important. Only what men think! You say many of them come to Christ in your non denominational church. How do you know? Because the profess the name of Christ? That is the whole reason for the hodge podge of different beliefs. Drop doctrinal divisions and just luv Jesus :1_grouphug: .

I will admit that we should step lightly when dealing with catholics in order to show them the love of Christ. But give them the truth that will set them free. Don't join them and worship with them as if they are christians. They are NOT! Church folks need to wake up and start standing again. If we are going to call ourselves baptists we need to stand like baptists. The world will hate us. But it hated Christ first!:jesus: