Baptists are killing themselves!

If the ignorance and venom of this post is indicative of your so called "love" please for all that is holy and just, don't love me!

BTW, if you are referring to the Catholic church it should be capitalized, otherwise catholic simply means universal

 

From the article it appears that they believe in Baptist distinctives, and claim to be Baptist but removed the name form the sign so as to "remove any obstacles".

In essence they are willing to misrepresent themselves in order to mislead unsuspecting people about who they are in order to give them an opportunity show their love?

They dont want people to think they are Baptist because that will turn some away but they are Baptist. Growing up my parents taught me this is lying. Their intent is to hide being what they are until a later time.

Lying and deceiving an unsuspecting public is not the asnwer to their problem. They could be getting out in the community and be involved in a loving way. Mow a lawn for an elderly person, repair the roof. deliver a washer and dryer for a single mom who has to spend countless hours at the public laundry facility with her kids. Start a homeless facility arranging for needed assitance such as temp housing, food, clothing etc. Serve the community and show the love of God. Removing the name is not only deceitful it is lazy.

 

Many Christians come and belong to our church only because they: enjoy the worship service, receive spiritual food from the sermon and Bible study, enjoy the fellowship and the oppurtunities to serve. With these Christians, the church having a Baptist name has nothing to do with it. Some still come even though it is called a Baptist church.

The important thing is that they are Christians, not that it is a Baptist church. I am a Christian who just happens to belong to a Baptist church. My theology is scripture based, not denomination based.

 

According to your ways then you must post on the church building, "We are opposed to Catholics because they preach a false gospel." For many years Catholics have known Baptists as anti-Catholic. Is that a lie of you do not tell that truth?

When you share your faith do you tell them in some of your first words that if they do not accpet Jesus they are going to hell.

If you do notice in scripture that Jesus dealt with the Sadducees only using the Torah. With the Pharisees he used all of the OT. Is that wrong in that he did not use the entire Bible with the Sadducees. If you went to some countries as a missionary you would notice that they do not have the book of Revelation. Is that wrong?

 

Ah, yes, the "God loves the 1950's" model. I figured this was where this was headed.

Our church has strong Biblical preaching, and music that spans from AD 300 (we have a great arrangement of "Of the Father's Love Begotten) to today. We use every instrument imaginable--from the organ to the bagpipe, to the ungodly, evil guitar.

Choirs are not mentioned in the New Testament. Neither are organs.

We do not sacrifice the rich theology of good hymns. But there are numerous hymns with rotten theology. There are also rotten praise songs, and some fantastic ones.

Our church does not seek to throw out something because it's a few years old. But neither does it condemn the "new song" that we can sing, simply because it's not old.

Much of your generalizations are extra-biblical and based on preference, not Scripture. "I don't like it" is a perfectly fine opinion to hold regarding that. "It is wrong" is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

 

Great post!

 

I am glad that your church has discovered: "Of the Father's Love Begotten" that truly beloved hymn of the early Church that had been lost for over 1600 years . . .

Was that what you meant?

 

Yep.

Of course, the melody was lost to history, but the words are incredible.

 

Wow . . .

I gotta come hear a whole church chanting in Greek with an Alabaman accent.

That has got to be something out of this world!

Merry Christmas!

Wayne

 

You don't? Sounds like an attack to me...especially unwise for two reasons:
1. It is dangerous to call something that God is doing "of satan," "garbage" or the like. Just look at Jesus, the Pharisees, and the "beelzebub" comments. There's some Bible for ya.
2. How can you presume to know if our worship here honors God? You don't know what we do or how we do it...save some examples I have given here.

Ya' know, sometimes both are possible. If not, then I won't...but some folks seem to be unhappy unless they have somebody to look down on...preferably another Christian. That's no way to live.

1. So impugning character and calling fellow Christians names...that's Biblical? Please.
2. I'm glad you've interviewed most every Baptist church that has changed its name and understand its reasons, motives, and thought processes, plus can so very accurately assess its spiritual condition.

First of all, I'm not. I pretty much laugh and go my way after typing anything here...life's too short.
But I do think we should all run our "messages" through this filter: "Is God angry with the message, or the messenger?" That's much more important. And since I believe in local church autonomy, I'm gonna spend my time serving mine, and less time slamming yours.

 

Lots of opnion, most of which stinks, but hey, you're entitled. Nothing you can back up with Scripture.

 

Baptists are not now nor have they ever been "anti-catholic". Baptist are not opposed to catholics. Catholics are people and Baptists always desire to see them come to an actual saving knowledge of Jesus Christ based on his work on the cross alone. Baptists do oppose false teaching of any kind. Opposing false teaching and removing the name Baptist off the sign to mislead people about who you are is apples and oranges.

When I share my faith I always tell people why they need Jesus within the first ten minutes. And that does include and eternity without God in hell.

This again has nothing to do with the op. Churches that remove the name Baptist form the sign do so to withhold information for the purpose of deceiving them. That has nothing to do with what Jesus taught from.

You continue to make irrelevent examples. However if Jesus or the missionaries did what they did with the same intent these churches do then I would say they were wrong.

Cursed be he that doth the work of the lord deceitfully; Jeremiah 48:10

 

Only thing I can figure is ya'll are too dumb to understand it or too hard-hearted to care about lost people.

 

Romans 14:4 "Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him judge whether they are right or wrong. And with the Lord’s help, they will do what is right and will receive his approval."

 

Huh?

 

I have no doubt that some are being deceitful. But I personally don't feel that anyone can possibly make this blanketing of a statement. You can't possibly know every reason that every church decides to do this.

Local church autonomy applies here IMO. Let God deal with them.