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Depending how and what is "in behalf of" it is logically deduced to in affect to be "in place of." Galatians 3:13 is an example. The word never means "instead of," but usage can have the connotation of "in place of."

 

Jon, how good is your Greek? what you are doing here, is imposing your THEOLOGY on what the Bible actually says! There is no doubt, that anyone who understand the Greek prepositions, will know that ὑπέρ does mean INSTEAD OF.

BDAG Greek Lexicon



Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon



Can you see the use, INSTEAD OF?

 

nonsense!

 

Philemon 13, " Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead (ὑπέρ) he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel" (KJV)

"I wanted to keep him with me so that he could serve me in your place during my imprisonment for the gospel" (International Standard Version)

"I wanted to keep him so that he could serve me in your place during my imprisonment for the sake of the gospel" (NET Bible)

"I wanted to keep him with me, so that he might be of service to me in your place during my imprisonment for the gospel" (NRSV)

"Whom I woulde haue reteined with mee, that in thy steade he might haue ministred vnto me in the bondes of the Gospel" (Geneva Bible)

"Whom I woulde haue retayned with me, that in thy steade he myght haue ministred vnto me in the bondes of the Gospell" (Bishops Bible)

"whom I wolde fayne have retayned with me that in thy stede he myght have ministred vnto me in ye bondes of the gospell" (Tyndale)

"For I would have kept him with me to minister to me in your place during my imprisonment for the gospel" (Lasma The Peshitta)

"Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered to me in the bands of the gospel" (Latin Vulgate)

 

then use your knowledge of Greek as it is, without your bias! I have shown time and again, that the Greek ὑπέρ, is used with the meaning INSTEAD OF, as I have also shown in #51. and you still deny this! It is your THEOLOGY that is stopping you from accepting FACTS!

 

so you deny that #51 is right? same Greek preposition used here, ὑπέρ

I have also quoted from leading Greek lexicons, and Dr A T Robertson, Greek scholar. Add to this the reformed commentary by JFB, "A curse for us - having become what we were, in our behalf [ huper (G5228) heemoon (G2257): Philem 13 sanctions also 'in our stead'"

And you think that you know better than these authorities!

 

I checked more than one source. I am referring to the word meaning versus sense of meaning understood in some usages.

 

see #42 and 51

 

here is a good example. A is sentenced to prison. then B says to the judge, that he would to to prison "on his behalf". And the judge agrees. Does this not mean that B went to prison INSTEAD OF A? You are playing games with word uses!

 

from Thayers Greek lexicon

3. in the place of, instead of (which is more precisely expressed by ἀντί; hence, the two prepositions are interchanged by Irenaeus, adv. haer. 5, 1, τῷ ἰδίῳ αἵματι λυτρωσαμένου ἡμᾶς τοῦ κυρίου καί δόντος τήν ψυχήν ὑπέρ τῶν ἡμετέρων ψυχῶν καί τήν σάρκα τήν ἑαυτοῦ ἀντί τῶν ἡμετέρων σαρκῶν): ἵνα ὑπέρ σου μοι διακονῇ, Philemon 1:13; ὑπέρ τῶν νεκρῶν βαπτίζεσθαι (see βαπτίζω, at the end), 1 Corinthians 15:29; (add, Colossians 1:7 L text Tr text WH text); in expressions concerning the death of Christ: εἷς ὑπέρ πάντων ἀπέθανεν (for the inference is drawn ἄρα οἱ πάντες ἀπέθανον, i. e. all are reckoned as dead), 2 Corinthians 5:14(15),15; add, 21; Galatians 3:13. (On this debated sense of ὑπέρ, see Meyer and Van Hengel on Romans 5:6; Ellicott on Galatians and Philemon, the passages cited; Wieseler on Galatians 1:4; Trench, Synonyms, § lxxxii.; Winer's Grammar, 383 (358) note.) Since anything, whether of an active or passive character which is undertaken on behalf of a person or thing, is undertaken 'on account of' that person or thing, ὑπέρ is used