Being Chosen Requires a Response (Of Faith) from One’s Own Heart! Like it or Not!

[psalms109:31]

Very well stated. Salvation is ALL of God. Scripture clearly teaches that truth. Believing that the Big I had to give God a helping hand is denying Scripture.

Hebrews 12:2. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God will bring to Salvation those He chose before the foundation of the world and for whom Jesus Christ died. To believe and contend that the Big I can make the death of Jesus Christ of no effect is very sad.

God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth Jesus Christ and the wicked to repent and live, but we must turn away from our will and take on His will. We are responsible free agents. We are to give Him the glory for it is His work in us. All in Christ will be saved from the beginning to end.

Psalm 73:28
But it is good for me to draw near to God; I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, That I may declare all Your works.

Jeremiah 48:7
For because you have trusted in your works and your treasures, You also shall be taken. And Chemosh shall go forth into captivity, His priests and his princes together.

Romans 4
Abraham Justified by Faith

4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[Gen. 15:6; also in verse 22]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[Psalm 32:1,2]

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Believing that the Big I had to give God a helping hand is denying Scripture.
To believe and contend that the Big I can make the death of Jesus Christ of no effect is very sad.

And insinuating that non-cals on this board believe or teach such things is either dishonest or simply stupid.

 

[SovereignMercy]

Free-willers have a poor little jesus that died for and tries to save everyone but is failing miserably. He begs people to come and most of the blood he shed was in vain, he is also unaware and ignores a ton of scripture that he inspired about himself like these passages.

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

He really meant i will try to build my church since you guys have free will and i as god have no power over you. :'(

And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.

The angel here goofed and meant to say: he will try to save everyone from their sins, but will fail because everyone has that doggone free will.

Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

What he really meant to say was this is the work of your free will that you believe.
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Boy, did your jesus goof here, he meant to say, it is the flesh that gives life the spirit tries but cannot overcome free will.

I could go on and on...

Your reinterpretation of all of these clear passages and a host of others show how free will believers really take the name of the Lord in vain, worse than people who swear. They don't go around telling everyone how much greater they are than God and that His sovereign will is subservient to theirs.

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

 

[HeirofSalvation]

You have little understanding of alternatives to Calvinism I think...These statements are simply, not in any real sense true. If someone in authority has actually "taught" you that these are true....then they were really rather irresponsible to do so:

Free-willers have a poor little jesus that died for and tries to save everyone but is failing miserably.

No...like a Calvinist...he will "accomplish all he purposes" but the Arminian believes that he simply "purposes" to grant (of his own Sovereign Choice) the freedom to accept or reject him.

He begs people to come and most of the blood he shed was in vain,

Only if you ASSUME a limited atonement view is this true...Arminians do not usually take precisely the same view of the nature of Penal Substitution that a Calvinist does...You are judging an alternative theology by assumptions YOU make, that they DON'T.

he is also unaware and ignores a ton of scripture that he inspired about himself like these passages.

:sleep:

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.He really meant i will try to build my church since you guys have free will and i as god have no power over you. :'(

You are speaking of the "Church" as only being a Universal phenomenon which referrences ONLY the idea of "All who are saved" That is at minimum a limited view or interpretation of what that passage teaches, and what the "Church" even is....your limited interpretation speaks NOTHING of the Church as the local Institutions which the the New Testament almost ALWAYS is ACTUALLY speaking of when it speaks of it. Without this limited interpretation of what the "Church" is...then this verse is completely silent on the topic of Soteriology whatsoever.

And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.The angel here goofed and meant to say: he will try to save everyone from their sins, but will fail because everyone has that doggone free will.

Hardly...."His People" is a term which refers to and only to the "elect" whether you are a Calvinist or an Arminian. No Arminian would call those who are NOT SAVED "His People". You are really showing your ignorance here.

Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
What he really meant to say was this is the work of your free will that you believe.

This is simply rambling and incoherrent.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Boy, did your jesus goof here, he meant to say, it is the flesh that gives life the spirit tries but cannot overcome free will.

"Freedom of Will" is not a phenomenon (provided common understanding) of the "flesh" at all, but rather a facet of "mind" or even "soul" so this, again, merely makes no sense. Moreover...the Arminian simply does not believe that the Spirit "tries" to "overcome" free will. We understand He would succeed if he tried, but then again, if he didn't intend us to make use of it...we don't think he would have GIVEN it to us in the first place! :BangHead: DUH!!!

I could go on and on...

Please do...you are strengthening our position as you speak. You are "poisoning the well" for your Calvinist brethren by making a poor show of debate.

They don't go around telling everyone how much greater they are than God and that His sovereign will is subservient to theirs.

Pleas quote ANY respectable Arminian Theologian who makes any statements akin to this...If you don't (and you won't) then you need to repent of being a false accuser of the brethren and recant this.

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Yes...works don't get people to heaven..... :sleep: This verse has nothing to do with the topic...I have another randomly pasted cute verse too!! Pro 27:15 A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike. See How RELEVANT that is!!!