Featured Belief not a gift

Answer Yes or No to the following propositions :

God is Holy
Everything that God does is perfect
All of humanity is sinful
All of humanity deserves eternal condemnation
God shows mercy to whomever he wants to
God hardens whomever he wants to
As sinful humans we have absolutely no right whatsoever to question anything God does or states in the Scriptures.

 

Why don't you guys give what all the Scriptures say rather than passages that you think support your theology.

Romans 11.32 in context is very clear that God has concluded the whole human race, which is both Jews and Gentiles in sin, so that He MIGHT have mercy upon ALL.

This is the True Bible Gospel and not the theology of the so called "reformed"

 

You have correctly noticed that there are various degrees of "reformed". The drawing of the HS affects the person by conviction and by him realizing that the gospel is true and that he is in jeopardy if he doesn't come to Christ. The means to do this IS God's word, from preaching or reading the Bible.

Now, I assume you are some form of regular Baptist or fundamental Baptist. I was too. You know we pray for people to get saved. What are we doing? We are asking God to intervene in their lives either by convincing them or by arranging circumstances to help them get saved. We are assuming that this intervention is necessary or the person will not be saved. In that case the grace or intervention was essential, was it not? Something happened that would not have happened had the HS not acted.

Now here's the differences. The non-reformed Baptist believes that this grace can be resisted. I believe as I explained above that by definition if it can be resisted then it was not the intervention you prayed for. Reformed people do believe that the grace can be resisted - but not in the ones who get saved - or they wouldn't have gotten saved. For those folks, the grace was overcoming.

Now, if you "decide" to believe as I have described above, do you not see how you can say your faith was a gift? You wouldn't have believed without the HS. Otherwise, why pray for folks - they're gonna have to decide on their own.

I believe in addition, that there are enough verses that show that the work of the HS is MORE than conviction and convincing. I believe there is an enlightening or regeneration (being born again) that really does occur. And I believe it was planned by God. I know that a lot of non-reformed people believe that you come by faith and then get born again. I believe it's the other way around.

Like I said earlier, "Reformed" or Calvinist takes in a wide range of belief. Some are so into the facts of God's sovereignty that they forget that even if salvation is all of God - the elect person is a rational being and there has to be an intelligent interaction between the two parties or it has no meaning. You actually have to believe. Some even say you are justified before being created if you are elect. Other like Spurgeon, Bonar, a group of Puritans called the Marrow men, describe salvation in much more interactive terms that you as a Baptist would be familiar with.

 

The above is a mysterious statement. To impose is to be endured --to be thrust upon someone like a penalty. The Lord does not impose his gift of saving faith. To be sure, he intercedes on the behalf of those he chooses. But the word 'imposed' is not something any Reformed scholar, or any Reformed layperson here has ever said or implied.

 

More reformed theology rather than what the Bible actually says

 

You are not making any sense. Do you think that the Reformed believe that God has imposed himself on people of his choosing? If so, do some citations.
As I said, we believe that the Lord intercedes on our behalf.

 

The main problem with your theology is that you limit the Saving Love of God to the elect only. But John 3.16 is very clear that this Love is universal to everyone without exception. This is crux of the issue

 

You do post as a kid sometimes

 

I'm not the one claiming you can draw a sword without any force whatsoever. Sorry if something is stupid I will call it such and that comment was stupid.

 

I submitted seven propositions. I asked for a simple 'yes' or a simple 'no' for each of them. Is that too hard for you.

 

Apparently he didn't recognize the propositions as being from Scripture either.

 

It does not say universal without exception, you are writing things into a passage that are not there.

 

As I have said many times, it is the reformed system on salvation that is faulty and unbiblical

 

Have you ever drawn a sword from its sheath? I have can tell you that you do NOT require force

 

Stupidity. Go back to physics class so you can learn how ridiculous you are being right now.

 

Just keep digging the holes, just keep digging the holes, stupidity abounds, just keep digging the holes.

 

You are a hard-headed one. Why shy away from answering the seven propositions? If you have sincere convictions than surely you could answer the seven without feeling queasy about it. Do you feel I have backed you up to a corner or something? All true Christians should show their actual colors and not step away from such fundamental questions.

 

Here is a stupid question for you.

WHY does God need to DRAG and FORCE the elect when they have already been CHOSEN for salvation???

This whole system is very much UNBIBLICAL

 

I missed how we make God a liar if we are unable to believe. The action of rejection is in view. And why would God ask us to believe, if He had made us unable to believe. On and on folks, the claim of Calvinism is bogus...

 

I will keep on asking you guys the same question until you can answer from the Bible.

Show from John 3.16 that God's Saving Love is only for the elect. This verse destroys most of reformed teaching