Bennett Fires Back Against Racism Charges

[church mouse guy]

Mrs.

FilmProducer, it is evidently an old saying that a text out of context is a pretext. If the masses misunderstand, it is because they are unwilling to get a dictionary and see what was said before they go off on a tangent and make false accusations.

I think that it is genocide that best explains abortion statistics.

http://blackgenocide.org/black.html

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by Daisy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
Why don't these folks go after Byrd ?

Statute of limitations?

Bennett's assertion is offensive. While he and Rush insist that it it true, that is debatable. </font>[/QUOTE]Bennett's "assertion" is that abortion is wrong. That's offensive to some who support abortion but it's the truth.

Bennett did not advocate abortion of anyone - black, white, or otherwise - nor did he place less value on persons of one race over another.

Bennett use a "wild" example that crime would be reduced by abortion of black babies - on the basis that there is a high crime rate among young black males - but he said this to illustrate that such "solutions" - abortion to reduce poverty or abortion to reduce crime - would be completely wrong regardless.

No one, except perhaps proponents of abortion, should find offense in Bennett's statement.

 

[Dragoon68]

Kings 3:24-25:
And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.

Implication: How could this King command such a cruel thing? Does he not place any value upon human life? This is awful! This King and the God that would lead him to do such must surely be evil!

 

[Dragoon68]

Kings 3:16-28:
Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him. And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house. And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house. And this woman’s child died in the night; because she overlaid it. And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom. And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear. And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king. Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living. And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king. And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other. Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it. Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof. And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

Truth: King Solomon was blessed with great "wisdom of God" and the people were given a dramatic example of the King's trust in his Lord to bring out the truth. The King knew no harm would come to the child. The King was, in fact, a very good King and his God is fully good!

Context means a lot!

 

[just-want-peace]

The comment was innapropriate- point blank, whether it was taken out of context or not. It was offensive and it played on stereotypes of African Americans.

If you honestly believe this, then you'd best NEVER open your mouth on ANY subject.

To pull a qoute out of context like this was, and like was done to Trent Lott, is pure and simple evil and SHOULD be covered by slander /libel laws.

But of course there's that pesky "freedom of the press" concept which in reality allows the press to print virtually anything and be protected from the responsibility of the truth.

But as to your ideas as quoted above, well, if this were true, then no one could ever say anything without fear of somebody trying to ruin their reputation; just like the MSM does today!

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Bennett took a gamble with his comments and choose his words extremely unwisely...he said it! he knew
the risks! and he lost! big time. The guy can get
out of control as most gamblers are prone to do.

 

[Filmproducer]

If you honestly believe this, then you'd best NEVER open your mouth on ANY subject.

You obviously do not know of the bias in the media that has tarnished African Americans and perpetuated years of stereotypes. Point blank the man made an offensive statement that he no business making. Defend him all you want. Personally I believe he, and others, in the media, should be held to a higher standard.

If the masses misunderstand, it is because they are unwilling to get a dictionary and see what was said before they go off on a tangent and make false accusations.

Precisely the reason why the media should be held to higher standards. He should have found another way to prove his point.


But as to your ideas as quoted above, well, if this were true, then no one could ever say anything without fear of somebody trying to ruin their reputation; just like the MSM does today!

Not sure what you are trying to say?

I think that it is genocide that best explains abortion statistics.

Well, that is your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree, and when I have a chance I will post my findings.

The mere mention of race need not be taken as a offense to persons.

It was not the mere mention of race, it was the perpetuation of a STEREOTYPE. Black men are not all criminals, nor are they the only criminals, as HIS statement IMPLIED, (within context or not).

 

[Filmproducer]

I think that it is genocide that best explains abortion statistics.

Well, that is your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree, and when I have a chance I will post my findings.

Based on data from the CDC you are right that black women are three times as likely to have an abortion. I stand corrected.

The differential between the abortion ratio for black women and that for white women has increased from 2.0 in 1989 (the first year for which black and other races were reported separately) to 3.0 in 2000 (51). In addition, the abortion rate for black women has been approximately 3 times as high as that for white women (range: 2.6--3.1) since 1991 (the first year for which rates by race were published) (52). These rates by race are substantially lower than rates previously published by NCHS and suggest that the reporting areas for the 2000 report might not be fully representative of the U.S. black female population of reproductive age.

...This report summarizes and describes data reported to CDC regarding legal induced abortions obtained in the United States in 2000.

 

[church mouse guy]

Thanks, Mrs. The situation is appalling. Abortion has only brought death to minorities, which is exactly what it was designed to do.

 

[church mouse guy]

Bennett's exact words:

Yesterday on his radio show, Mr. Bennett -- Dr. Bennett was quoted as saying. I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you cold abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down...that would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.

The comments have drawn criticism today from Senate minority leader Harry Reid who said he was appalled. Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy who called them racist and from House minority leader Nancy Pelosi who said they were shameful.

Ted Kennedy is very learned. He reads The New York Times everyday--errrr, he has one of his servants read it to him everyday, anyway. Teddy doesn't look anyone in the eye anymore. The only thing he looks in the eye is the ice cube in his glasses of whiskey.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Bennett's exact words:

Yesterday on his radio show, Mr. Bennett -- Dr. Bennett was quoted as saying. I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could, if that were your sole purpose, you cold abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down...that would be an impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down. So these far-out, these far-reaching, extensive extrapolations are, I think, tricky.

The comments have drawn criticism today from Senate minority leader Harry Reid who said he was appalled. Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy who called them racist and from House minority leader Nancy Pelosi who said they were shameful.

Ted Kennedy is very learned. He reads The New York Times everyday--errrr, he has one of his servants read it to him everyday, anyway. Teddy doesn't look anyone in the eye anymore. The only thing he looks in the eye is the ice cube in his glasses of whiskey.

Interestingly, only the first half of Bennett's statement is being given much attention. The main stream media articles have that in bold type. It's all about grabbing some words out of context and ignoring all the rest when, in fact, the truth is clearly stated and has been explained by Bennett himself. It's also clear from Bennett's record that he would not condone such a statement as his comments are being mischaracterized to have been. The fact is some people want this to be an offensive and racist statement. They are the race mongers who'll do or say anything to stir up trouble.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
... Bennett took a gamble with his comments and choose his words extremely unwisely...he said it! he knew the risks! and he lost! big time. The guy can get out of control as most gamblers are prone to do.

There was nothing wrong with or unwise about his comments. It made a solid illustration that abortion was wrong not matter what justification was used included such absurds ones as eliminating crime or poverty.

The lack of wisdom, decency, fairness, etc. comes when one takes parts of what Bennett said out of context and makes them into a completely different meaning.

 

[Filmproducer]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Thanks, Mrs. The situation is appalling. Abortion has only brought death to minorities, which is exactly what it was designed to do.

I concede to the numbers, but not necessarily this statement. Abortion is wrong. (I want to get that out of the way.) In 2000 there were less than one million abortions. Actually the number was a little over 800,000. While African Americans may be three times as likely to have an abortion in porportion to their population size, the reality is that more white babies are aborted. Approximately 57% of abortions were by white woman.

As far as I am concened, abortion is a problem everywhere and by all races, not just African Americans. As is pre-marital sex. We have talked a lot about context. These abortiion numbers must be looked at in context, also. Besides abortion stats there are pregnancy and birth stats, teen pregnancy stats, contraceptive use stats, method of contraceptive stats, etc. All of these aspects need to be examined to obtain an accurate picture of the situation.

 

[Filmproducer]

The reason that the first half of his statement is receiving so much attention is because he ASSERTED THAT IT WAS TRUE. He then went on to say that it would be a ridiculous, morally reprehensible thing to do. Herein lies the whole problem. It is a racist ASSUMPTION, therefore the outcry and the problems. His ASSUMPTIONS are the reason stereotypes are perpetuated. At some point we need to hold the media accountable for what they say.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by Filmproducer:
The reason that the first half of his statement is receiving so much attention is because he ASSERTED THAT IT WAS TRUE. He then went on to say that it would be a ridiculous, morally reprehensible thing to do. Herein lies the whole problem. It is a racist ASSUMPTION, therefore the outcry and the problems. His ASSUMPTIONS are the reason stereotypes are perpetuated. At some point we need to hold the media accountable for what they say.

I understand your point but I still disagree. The statement Bennett made is literally true but was made only to illustrate a different point. His claim that crime would be reduced if there were fewer young black males in the population can be supported by historical crime statistics.

The statistics aren't racist any more than those that might attribute a greater incidence of a particular disease in one part of the population, or a greater degree of achievement in certain activities for one race verses another, or that there is some connection between literacy and poverty, or that there are infinitely more pregnancy among women than men, etc. The statistics are blind to racism. Some of them are just harder to accept than others because they point out problems and sometimes those problems are more prevalent in one group than another.

Bennett was not suggesting we reduce the population of blacks to achieve the goal of crime reduction. If fact, the point was exactly the opposite in that abortion is wrong for any reason. The whole thing was about Bennett making it clear that, in his view, reduction of poverty was not a justification for abortion any more than it would be for murdering unborn black children to reduce crime.

[ October 01, 2005, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Dragoon68 ]

 

[church mouse guy]

Originally posted by Filmproducer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Thanks, Mrs. The situation is appalling. Abortion has only brought death to minorities, which is exactly what it was designed to do.

I concede to the numbers, but not necessarily this statement. Abortion is wrong. (I want to get that out of the way.) In 2000 there were less than one million abortions. Actually the number was a little over 800,000. While African Americans may be three times as likely to have an abortion in porportion to their population size, the reality is that more white babies are aborted. Approximately 57% of abortions were by white woman.

As far as I am concened, abortion is a problem everywhere and by all races, not just African Americans. As is pre-marital sex. We have talked a lot about context. These abortiion numbers must be looked at in context, also. Besides abortion stats there are pregnancy and birth stats, teen pregnancy stats, contraceptive use stats, method of contraceptive stats, etc. All of these aspects need to be examined to obtain an accurate picture of the situation. </font>[/QUOTE]No, abortion is supported by whites with the desire to reduce the African-American population--just ask them.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/

 

[Marcia]

Bennett was wrong in what he said that the crime rate would go down -- that was based on an assumption that more blacks commit crimes but statistics do not back it up. There may be more blacks in prisons but

During the 1990s, whites committed 56 percent of violent crimes and 62 percent of felonies in the United States, according to Justice Department statistics."
http://www.isteve.com/Crime_Imprisonment_Rates_by_Race.htm

I heard on TV that 70% of crimes in the US are committed by white people. But more blacks end up in prison.

I tried to do searches but either the stats were for those imprisoned (not for those convicted) or so many disgusting white supremacist sites came up that I quit. I don't want to throw up my dinner.

Bennett, the "Book of Virutes" man turned out to be a gambler. No matter how you look at his statement, it has a racist tinge to it.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It was taken out of context, he was goaded into saying it.

Was I the only one listening to Rush yesterday ? Did anyone but me hear the black man call in ? You know, the one that impressed Limbaugh so much he gave him his honorary membership ?

People are pretty quick to jump on any racist "tinge", whether is justified or not. Meanwhile, Robert "sheets" Byrd gets a free pass.

Does anybody care that Bennet ended this statement with...and I quote...

"That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do...... "

 

[Marcia]

No, I don't care that Bennett ended his statement like that. I think that it doesn't undo his earlier statement, which I do not think was taken out of context. He was saying more crimes are committed by blacks, which is not true.

 

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by Bro. Curtis:
... Does anybody care that Bennet ended this statement with...and I quote...

"That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do...... "

Yes, I do! I prefer to consider the whole of what he said, why he was saying it, what he meant by saying it, and the truth of rather than just picking apart one sentence taken out of context.