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Bi-racial marriage
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By this reasoning, we shouldn't raise our children as Chritsians then. We know according to Gods word that persecution against Christians will get worse as time goes on.Originally posted by SheEagle911:
See, Baptist Believer, you proved my point!
I am opposed because of the effects on the children, the ones to suffer from society and rejection of either or both races, dealing with self esteem issues, too.
As nice as we pretend let's just love everybody and we are all of the human race and it feels good to be so inclusive, etc., the fact is people suffer over it because that is the way society is. Of course, the same could be said about people who have birth defects or disease, too.
There is also a cultural clash that comes into play. Isn't it tough enough to maintain a good marriage even in the best of circumstances without ethnicity and cultures being thrown into the equation?
In God's eyes, if it is an equally yoked marriage from a spiritual standpoint, no problem.
The problem comes about because we have to live in an imperfect world and imperfect society. And people can be mean. And bigotry, even if suppressed or silenced, does still exist. Granted, society today is more accepting of biracial marriages, but there are still societal stigmas in some circles, even if only whispers.
I am against biracial marriage because I've seen the backlash in families I know.
It's a sinful world that we live in and no matter what color you are, who your parents are, what your religion is, you will have to face some sort of persecution some time. Some more than others. Better to raise our kids to recognize the bigotry for what it is, and not be ashamed for who they are.
I figured this thread was going to be devisive. I'm soooo glad common sense and the Bible prevails for the most part.
As for the children of mixed marriages being persecuted - that's a cop out for the sins of others. One of my 3 daughters has been married to a black man for 11 years with 2 wonderful children. The oldest, my grandson, was voted most popular kid in his 4th grade class last year. Seems the times are-a-changing even down here in Texas. Or maybe it's just some adults that have a problem?
As for the children of mixed marriages being persecuted - that's a cop out for the sins of others. One of my 3 daughters has been married to a black man for 11 years with 2 wonderful children. The oldest, my grandson, was voted most popular kid in his 4th grade class last year. Seems the times are-a-changing even down here in Texas. Or maybe it's just some adults that have a problem?
I thought it was God's eyes alone that determined what was right or wrong.....
Maybe what you mean is that you think it is unwise given our culture of racism, but not morally wrong.</font>[/QUOTE]No, what I meant is that whether same race or bi-racial, the criteria from God's viewpoint is to be spritually equally yoked. As in be not yoked together with an unbeliever. This would apply to marriage as well as business partnerships in my opinion.
Perhaps it is the part of the country you live in. Or how big the city is you live in. Or the local culture. I am not disagreeing with you, just stating my opinions based on different people and situations I know. Perhaps sometimes it could actually depend on the people (parents) themselves in how the family is perceived, accepted, or rejected by others?
Let me respectfully disagree...
My aunts were the only ones who ever voiced an issue with it... For the record (so no one misunderstands) I am whiter than most white people. Both of my parents are of white European ancestry and the only real difference is that my mother was not born in the United States.
My aunts were horribly, stupidly wrong. There was no pleasing them and so they weren't worth the time of day if they didn't accept me or my parent's marriage based on their ignorance.
Yep. But we shouldn't let the inmates run the asylum. The reason I brought up my unpleasant family history is that some people will complain about people of the same "race" marrying just because they have ignorant opinions about another culture. We should not defer to this kind of prejudice just because it exists.
Yep. That's why the church needs to be in the forefront of culture by providing support for those who have more unconventional marriages. The church needs to lead society, not follow it.
Yep. That should be the church's standard.
Yep. But the church has an opportunity to lead here. I am convinced that Jesus wants the church to be bold and lead culture.
You are right about backlash... My sister-in-law (white) is married to a black man so I know a little about that. I can appreciate your very real concerns... But we shouldn't let sinners dictate the actions of God's children.I am against biracial marriage because I've seen the backlash in families I know.
some of you should visit brasil, where almost everyone comes from 'bi racial' backgrounds.. it makes for many beautiful people.. in fact, you never here 'im black brasilian' or 'im white braislian' like here, everyone is brasilian.. there are so many backgrounds it is incredible.. you know that sao paulo has the highest number of japanese outside of japan? and ever since the portuguese made it a colony in 1500's all the races: european including dutch, italian, portuguese, indian natives, blacks, have been mixing.. in this arguments about race people are silly and do not realize we are all same under neath.. many people tend to forget Jesus was not a white european person
Here is the bible verse I was given to support the fact that a "white" person should not marry a "black" person...I think it takes quite an imagination to derive that from this verse tho 
2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore, come out from among them and be ye separate, sayeth the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you"
Reading it again, using it in the context I was told is completely insulting!! Wow, I can't believe I stayed at my church as long as did knowing stuff like this...
What is it that PreachTheWord says...???
Out like yesterdays Oscar award outfit!! LoL
Kathy
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2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore, come out from among them and be ye separate, sayeth the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you"
Reading it again, using it in the context I was told is completely insulting!! Wow, I can't believe I stayed at my church as long as did knowing stuff like this...
What is it that PreachTheWord says...???
Out like yesterdays Oscar award outfit!! LoL
Kathy
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Bi-racial marriages, and by that, I believe that most people, if they are honest, are talking about a white person and a black person, are not condemned in the Bible.
It is crystal clear in the New Testament that God discourages marriages where people are unequally yoked. Christians marrying non-believers.
And didn't one of the Old Testament prophets bear the hard news to the Jews that they were to abandon their wives, absolutely abandon them, because they worshipped foreign gods?
Even the book of Genesis speaks of sons of God and daughters of men intermarrying. Again, the Godly intermarrying with the unGodly.
Spiritual uneveness. Spiritual inequities.
So how can something as tangible and irrelevant as one's race be a barrier to marriage?
I don't see it in the Bible. I just don't see it. It's not a sin.
However, it's a very hard decision to make. And love may not be enough. A couple must make decisions about how to handle the inevitable ugliness of both races to their marriage and the inevitable consequences that their children will pay.
But that is not the fault of the couple. Any hardships are not a result of their sin. Any hardships incurred are a result of ignorant people, both black and white (or whatever race is involved) who deem their own race superior.
Just because I think that it is not a sin doesn't mean that I think that interracial marriages should be encouraged. Interracial marriages should be considered very carefully. More carefully than non-interracial marriages.
But they are most definitely not banned by God.
Peace-
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Scarlett O.
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It is crystal clear in the New Testament that God discourages marriages where people are unequally yoked. Christians marrying non-believers.
And didn't one of the Old Testament prophets bear the hard news to the Jews that they were to abandon their wives, absolutely abandon them, because they worshipped foreign gods?
Even the book of Genesis speaks of sons of God and daughters of men intermarrying. Again, the Godly intermarrying with the unGodly.
Spiritual uneveness. Spiritual inequities.
So how can something as tangible and irrelevant as one's race be a barrier to marriage?
I don't see it in the Bible. I just don't see it. It's not a sin.
However, it's a very hard decision to make. And love may not be enough. A couple must make decisions about how to handle the inevitable ugliness of both races to their marriage and the inevitable consequences that their children will pay.
But that is not the fault of the couple. Any hardships are not a result of their sin. Any hardships incurred are a result of ignorant people, both black and white (or whatever race is involved) who deem their own race superior.
Just because I think that it is not a sin doesn't mean that I think that interracial marriages should be encouraged. Interracial marriages should be considered very carefully. More carefully than non-interracial marriages.
But they are most definitely not banned by God.
Peace-
YSIC
Scarlett O.
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There should be enough of either race out there for a person to find a mate of their own racial background.
But, on the other hand, a person can't help who they fall in love with.
But I agree that children of bi-racial marriages do get treated badly. Maybe not all, but most. And society is not going to change.
I have said many times that I would rather my daughter marry another race than tell me she is gay and is going to marry another woman.
But let's not get another topic going on homosexuals.
Just my veiw, that's all.
But, on the other hand, a person can't help who they fall in love with.
But I agree that children of bi-racial marriages do get treated badly. Maybe not all, but most. And society is not going to change.
I have said many times that I would rather my daughter marry another race than tell me she is gay and is going to marry another woman.
But let's not get another topic going on homosexuals.
Just my veiw, that's all.
SaggyWoman
Active Member
Hmmmmm. You know, we all don't have much to talk about, since we are all--ALL--of mixed racial descent.
Granted, people get whacked out because blacks marry whites and bear children. But this source of racism runs deeper than that--to those who are different than I. We fear whatever is different.
Mixed races? I don't have a problem with it because anyone I marry is of a different race than I.
Mixed faiths? That is the bigger problem.
Granted, people get whacked out because blacks marry whites and bear children. But this source of racism runs deeper than that--to those who are different than I. We fear whatever is different.
Mixed races? I don't have a problem with it because anyone I marry is of a different race than I.
Mixed faiths? That is the bigger problem.
VoiceInTheWilderness
New Member
I disagree, love is a choice.
Love is a choice to show emotion, not an emotion that brings about a choice.
I have come across opinions, but opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them and the all stink.
Let's see some Scripture as to why inter-racial marriage is wrong? I believe it is perfectly okay to marry a person regardless of their skin colour.
It has been argued that the children suffer because of inter-racial marriages but this is an invalid argument. I received a pair of large ears from my fathers side of the family. Practically all the males in my family have big ears. Should we not breed as it does often cause the children to be teased?
(By the way, my ears are not incredibly outsized and noticable, just a little more noticable than usual.)
Let's see some Scripture as to why inter-racial marriage is wrong? I believe it is perfectly okay to marry a person regardless of their skin colour.
It has been argued that the children suffer because of inter-racial marriages but this is an invalid argument. I received a pair of large ears from my fathers side of the family. Practically all the males in my family have big ears. Should we not breed as it does often cause the children to be teased?
(By the way, my ears are not incredibly outsized and noticable, just a little more noticable than usual.)
Nobody other than those in the USA debates this issue. The funny thing is no group of people are more hybrid in terms of mixed races & cultures than the Americans. I constantly have people who are born in the US tell me they are "Irish" though they have never set foot in Ireland. When I inquire further I find they are "one eighth Irish, one eighth Polish, one eighth American Indian," etc. There is not one shred of serious Scriptural evidence to suggest that people of mixed race may not marry. The only racial divide in the Bible is between the Jews and the Gentiles (who are comprised of every other nation, tribe and tongue, black, white, yellow or whatever). Those who teach otherwise are imposing their own prejudices upon the Scriptures.
My Statement: I am against biracial marriage because I've seen the backlash in families I know. -------------------------------------------
Some of the comments:
But do any of you remember a time, say 30 or 40 years ago, when it was considered a sin or close to a sin (in churches, particularly Baptist churches) for a white and black to marry?
What has been the historical position of Fundamental Baptists on this issue?
Weren't there Scriptures used at that time to support "being separate?"
Are all of you now saying that the Baptist Historical Position was wrong?
Are some of you now implying that a "backlash against the children" (black & white) doesn't exist in society?
And do you have any Scriptures (other than the neither male nor female verse) to support your views that such an inter-racial marriage is okay?
I'm just wondering these things. Am I the only person on the Baptist Board who believes inter-racial marriages (black and white) are wrong?
And wasn't there something that used to be taught about the Tower of Babel and dispersion that was once used as a basis for teaching it was wrong to mix the races?
Or am I going crazy and Baptists have ALWAYS believed it was okay to have mixed marriages?
(I used to live down South when I was a kid & the KKK visited our house & practically burned a cross in our yard, threatened us with bodily harm because we had a black African national pastor staying with us at our house in Greensboro NC)
So, am I to conclude on the basis of all your posts the Baptist church was in error for lo these many centuries and only recently got it right?
Are Baptists now more enlightened than those in the past?
Or are Baptists now politically correct?
I am truly wondering these things. Can anyone provide documentation regarding Baptist position on this issue in times past?
I believe as one poster said, racism is still alive & kicking in Baptist churches in the USA from coast to coast, but it is not talked about openly. Just whispered about. Any comments?
[ September 17, 2002, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: SheEagle911 ]
Some of the comments:
I should have been specific. The only children I know of who have suffered a backlash are those who have had a black parent and white parent. I know other ethnicities in mixed marriages and they really aren't considered "mixed" by today's standards.
But do any of you remember a time, say 30 or 40 years ago, when it was considered a sin or close to a sin (in churches, particularly Baptist churches) for a white and black to marry?
What has been the historical position of Fundamental Baptists on this issue?
Weren't there Scriptures used at that time to support "being separate?"
Are all of you now saying that the Baptist Historical Position was wrong?
Are some of you now implying that a "backlash against the children" (black & white) doesn't exist in society?
And do you have any Scriptures (other than the neither male nor female verse) to support your views that such an inter-racial marriage is okay?
I'm just wondering these things. Am I the only person on the Baptist Board who believes inter-racial marriages (black and white) are wrong?
And wasn't there something that used to be taught about the Tower of Babel and dispersion that was once used as a basis for teaching it was wrong to mix the races?
Or am I going crazy and Baptists have ALWAYS believed it was okay to have mixed marriages?
(I used to live down South when I was a kid & the KKK visited our house & practically burned a cross in our yard, threatened us with bodily harm because we had a black African national pastor staying with us at our house in Greensboro NC)
So, am I to conclude on the basis of all your posts the Baptist church was in error for lo these many centuries and only recently got it right?
Are Baptists now more enlightened than those in the past?
Or are Baptists now politically correct?
I am truly wondering these things. Can anyone provide documentation regarding Baptist position on this issue in times past?
I believe as one poster said, racism is still alive & kicking in Baptist churches in the USA from coast to coast, but it is not talked about openly. Just whispered about. Any comments?
[ September 17, 2002, 09:14 AM: Message edited by: SheEagle911 ]
Daniel David
New Member
Sheeagle, someone else said it, but it is worth saying again. If you are worried about the children and will act or not act because of what society will do to them, then it is man that you fear.
I am a fundy along with my wife. We will raise our son and the one we are expecting in the same atmosphere of fundamentalism. I expect more backlash to come as a result of that than anything else. BTW, I am white and so is my wife.
Out like the social issues that determine Christianity.
I am a fundy along with my wife. We will raise our son and the one we are expecting in the same atmosphere of fundamentalism. I expect more backlash to come as a result of that than anything else. BTW, I am white and so is my wife.
Out like the social issues that determine Christianity.