Bible Modesty - Part 1

[James_Newman]

Who made the rule that dresses are for women?

 

[Bro Tony]

Hello Moderators,

Here we are 25 pages and no one has changed their minds. It seems some are carrying their view to the ridiculous and the orginator of the thread has been removed. Might I suggest this be closed as it clearly has little to no redeeming value.

Bro Tony

 

[rbell]

As to the long flowing garments, only men girded up their loins. Only men wore breeches.

Show me in the KJV where "Breeches" appears. Not there.

Proverbs 31:17:

"She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms."

Care to make any more incorrect statements?

 

[Blammo]

And I did not accuse you of saying you lost sleep over it. Go back and read what I said.

I don't need to go back and read it again.

You did not say I was "losing sleep over it". However, you did insinuate that I was overly worried about it. You likened it to your worrying about the communists taking over. (BTW, I happen to agree with Rufus. They have made a bit of "progress" here in the states.)

I stand by my prediction. Men will be wearing dresses in 10-20 years. (If the Lord tarries)

Do you like to discuss things with people, or do you just like to ignore what they really said, and avoid answering simple questions?

Are you opposed to the idea of men's dresses? If so, why?

 

[Blammo]

Show me in the KJV where "Breeches" appears. Not there.

Proverbs 31:17:

"She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms."

Care to make any more incorrect statements?

"...with strength"

Exodus 28:42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Exodus 39:28 And a mitre of fine linen, and goodly bonnets of fine linen, and linen breeches of fine twined linen,

Leviticus 6:10 And the priest shall put on his linen garment, and his linen breeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Leviticus 16:4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezekiel 44:18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Show me in the KJV where "Breeches" appears. Not there.

Exodus 28:42
And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Exodus 39:28
And a mitre of fine linen, and goodly bonnets of fine linen, and linen breeches of fine twined linen,

Leviticus 6:10
And the priest shall put on his linen garment, and his linen breeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Leviticus 16:4
He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezekiel 44:18
They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

Proverbs 31:17
"She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms."

Versus...

Job 38:3
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

 

[Amy.G]

What Biblical argument do you have for women showing their thighs?

Whoa Rufus! When did I EVER say anything about it being ok for women to show their thighs? I said pants covered more up. Do you really expect women to wear dresses when we mow the yard or clean out the gutters? I do most of the "MAN" work at my house because my husband works such long hours. Yeah, I really need to be up on a ladder cleaning out the gutters in a dress!
This discussion has gone way beyond the ridiculous.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Hello Moderators,

Here we are 25 pages and no one has changed their minds. It seems some are carrying their view to the ridiculous and the orginator of the thread has been removed. Might I suggest this be closed as it clearly has little to no redeeming value.

Bro Tony

Brother Tony,

I don't necessarily care if this thread is closed or not but what is your motivation for desiring it to be closed versus say...ignoring this thread and moving on to the next one? What redeeming value do you believe you added to the thread by accusing "some of carrying their view to the ridiculous"?

 

[Bro Tony]

Brother Tony,

I don't necessarily care if this thread is closed or not but what is your motivation for desiring it to be closed versus say...ignoring this thread and moving on to the next one? What redeeming value do you believe you added to the thread by accusing "some of carrying their view to the ridiculous"?

Rufus,

Have you seen anyone change their minds? And yes some of the statements that have been made are ridiculous. I did not accuse anyone personally, the reader can figure that out for themselves. If you don't care if this thread is closed then your opening question to me is moot.

Bro Tony

 

[Blammo]

See that girl on the right? That's Laura Ingalls. Do you think she ever had to wear pants?

(Don't get mad now. It's just a little joke to lighten up the thread a bit :tongue3: )

 

[rbell]

Touche'. I mis-typed my "Breeches" search. My bad, I stand corrected.

However: The assertion was made, rufus, that "in scripture, a woman does not gird up her loins." In Proverbs 31, she does.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Touche'. I mis-typed my "Breeches" search. My bad, I stand corrected.

However: The assertion was made, rufus, that "in scripture, a woman does not gird up her loins." In Proverbs 31, she does.

I will concede your point if you concede that she doesn't do it like a man.

 

[Bro Tony]

I will concede your point if you concede that she doesn't do it like a man.

How about the point that a woman can wear slacks that are made for a woman and not do it like a man or with the intent to look like a man or to seduce a man? Am I going to far in the area of possible agreement?:smilewinkgrin:

Bro Tony

 

[Brother Bob]

Whoa Rufus! When did I EVER say anything about it being ok for women to show their thighs? I said pants covered more up. Do you really expect women to wear dresses when we mow the yard or clean out the gutters? I do most of the "MAN" work at my house because my husband works such long hours. Yeah, I really need to be up on a ladder cleaning out the gutters in a dress!
This discussion has gone way beyond the ridiculous.

Yea, but look how much the neighborhood men would come over to offer to hold the ladder.

Rufus,

Have you seen anyone change their minds? And yes some of the statements that have been made are ridiculous. I did not accuse anyone personally, the reader can figure that out for themselves. If you don't care if this thread is closed then your opening question to me is moot.

Bro Tony

I don't know if anyone ever changes their mind on anything but you have a "lively" debate with a whole lot participating and that is what you need on BB, not a bunch of dead threads that no one visits. As long as everyone stays civil then I say let it alone.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Rufus,

Have you seen anyone change their minds?

Accept for their words, I am incapable of seeing the minds of others. I have no knowledge of all of the people that have viewed this thread. The only real relevant data available, is that there have been 2,726 views in approximately 30 hours, the next closest active thread has around 1,200 and that was created three days ago. Seems like there is quite a bit of interest regarding this topic. You nor I, have assurance of the number of people represented in those views, nor do we have assurance that any of those people would respond to this thread to alert us to whether or not they have, in fact, changed their minds. Much of my worldview has been established by reading and participating in message boards. While I have changed my mind on many issues, it was rare that there were instant changes, for it required additional prayer and study to determine whether or not the views expressed, matched up with the whole counsel of God. Bottom line, we have no real evidence of how the words in this thread are impacting people whether now or later.

And yes some of the statements that have been made are ridiculous. I did not accuse anyone personally, the reader can figure that out for themselves.

In your opinion, some of the statements that have been made are ridiculous. In my opinion the action of calling other people's doctrinal beliefs "ridiculous", is ridiculous. By my own definition I have now made a ridiculous statement, you may now call my beliefs on the issue of what is ridiculous, "ridiculous" with a little more authority to do so.

If you don't care if this thread is closed then your opening question to me is moot.

It may be moot to you but I am still curious as to your motivation but of course you're under no obligation to answer. If you don't like the thread you can move on, if you don't like the free exchange of ideas relative to a topic that others are apparently very interested in, you can promote the closure of the thread. Having no better answer, I suspect that this is your motivation.

 

[rbell]

It may not be that this thread is causing people to think deeply about modesty and morality...

It may be that this thread is a digital version of a five car pileup in the other lane. You just haveta look. :tongue3:

 

[Helen]

See that girl on the right? That's Laura Ingalls. Do you think she ever had to wear pants?

(Don't get mad now. It's just a little joke to lighten up the thread a bit :tongue3: )

I understand the joke, but are you aware of the number of women in those days whose skirts caught on fire from barn lanterns and wood stoves? Women died because of those skirts.

Long skirts are all fine and good to feel feminine (which I do in them) when you are not in a situation where you have to navigate anything tricky, but when I am bending down to change diapers on my 22 year old son, a skirt would get awfully messy. When I am mucking out stalls, a skirt would be horridly in the way and get messy. When I am dealing with a nervous horse, a skirt -- especially if there is wind -- could be flat out dangerous. When I am trimming our rose garden, a skirt would get caught and torn. That could get expensive!

No wonder men don't wear them!

 

[Brother Bob]

Well, I can't wait until these men, who are going to wear dresses come out of the restroom at church, and walk down the asile and accidently, have tucked the back of their dress down in the back of their panties, and walking along grinning from ear to ear, and not knowing they are showing their whole back side.

 

[Rufus_1611]

I understand the joke, but are you aware of the number of women in those days whose skirts caught on fire from barn lanterns and wood stoves? Women died because of those skirts.

Well, we can thank God for creating men like Tesla and Edison that we no longer lose women to barn lantern accidents. What was the number btw?

 

[saturneptune]

Well, we can thank God for creating men like Tesla and Edison that we no longer lose women to barn lantern accidents. What was the number btw?

16.478 per capita