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Bible vs Reformed Election

SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
You can't make that argument because people, like myself, CLEARLY see that is not the case plainly in Scripture. You need to do better than that. I'm not just going to "take your word for it." I clearly see FROM SCRIPTURE that your view is incorrect.
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problem is, that people like you have very much closed minds, so you are not open to anything other than your own theology!
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
lets give you a human example. Suppose I am a doctor who has the only cure in the whole world, for Covid-19, and only my cure is guaranteed to work 100%, and prevent those who use it, to never ever get this desease. Now, only those who take up my offer, will receive this healing, those who refuse to, will probably die from it. Does it mean that I have failed by those who died? No, they did not come for their healing. Likewise Jesus told the murdering Jews in John 5, "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (39-40). Note, Jesus does not say to these, that they cannot come, because they have not been drawn, etc. He tells them, that they REFUSE, that is CHOOSE not to go to Him for eternal life!
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First of all, the comparison is sacrilegious and apples to oranges. You literally compared a vaccine to the precious blood that was sacrificed by our Savior. Second, as usual, you have taken a verse out of context to prove your position.
 
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Iconoclast

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SavedByGrace said:
thanks for you time and sharing. I think that we are at the end of our time here.
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Yes...when you ignore post 5 and cannot offer to interact with it except to divert away from it you are at the end of your theological rope.
When you oppose truth as you attempt to do on each thread you are going to follow the same pattern.
You are free to hold onto whatever you want but you should be able to look back over all your threads and see the same pattern.
Blame God for mans sin. Make man to be in control.Attack historic confessional beliefs, then act surprised when you are answered.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Iconoclast said:
Yes...when you ignore post 5 and cannot offer to interact with it except to divert away from it you are at the end of your theological rope.
When you oppose truth as you attempt to do on each thread you are going to follow the same pattern.
You are free to hold onto whatever you want but you should be able to look back over all your threads and see the same pattern.
Blame God for mans sin. Make man to be in control.Attack historic confessional beliefs, then act surprised when you are answered.
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Unfortunately, it has become standard practice for this member to bow out of a conversation rather than answer the arguments presented to him.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
I know you from what I read, and believe me, that is more than one can bear! :D
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Except you OFTEN take things I say and take them out of context, twist them, misrepresent them. So no, you do not know me, nor my background, from what I write. In fact, you do not know that I once believed as you did. I was actually closed off to the truth of Scripture that I have now come to find.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
Except you OFTEN take things I say and take them out of context, twist them, misrepresent them. So no, you do not know me, nor my background, from what I write. In fact, you do not know that I once believed as you did. I was actually closed off to the truth of Scripture that I have now come to find.
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your name here, Reformed1689, says it all!
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
Can you show from what I have written in simple English, what you accuse me of?
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OF COURSE I can show you! I don't make baseless accusations.

SavedByGrace said:
lets give you a human example. Suppose I am a doctor who has the only cure in the whole world, for Covid-19, and only my cure is guaranteed to work 100%, and prevent those who use it, to never ever get this desease. Now, only those who take up my offer, will receive this healing, those who refuse to, will probably die from it. Does it mean that I have failed by those who died? No, they did not come for their healing. Likewise Jesus told the murdering Jews in John 5, "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (39-40). Note, Jesus does not say to these, that they cannot come, because they have not been drawn, etc. He tells them, that they REFUSE, that is CHOOSE not to go to Him for eternal life!
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In that post you literally talk about the Covid Vaccine then say LIKEWISE and talk about Jesus and his sacrifice (implied) based on what we had already been talking about. After all, I said in the post you were replying to, was Jesus' sacrifice not enough?

Further, you took Scripture out of context when you say, "Jesus does not say to these, that they cannot come, because they have not been drawn"

Well you can say that only because you take one verse out of context and ignore the rest of the Bible in order to make that point.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
OF COURSE I can show you! I don't make baseless accusations.



In that post you literally talk about the Covid Vaccine then say LIKEWISE and talk about Jesus and his sacrifice (implied) based on what we had already been talking about. After all, I said in the post you were replying to, was Jesus' sacrifice not enough?

Further, you took Scripture out of context when you say, "Jesus does not say to these, that they cannot come, because they have not been drawn"

Well you can say that only because you take one verse out of context and ignore the rest of the Bible in order to make that point.
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do you know what an illustration is? did I ever equate my "cure" for Covid with the blood of Jesus? NO. The point is, as you fail to understand simple English, that unless the sinner DOES something, like "repent and believe", they cannot be saved!
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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SavedByGrace said:
do you know what an illustration is? did I ever equate my "cure" for Covid with the blood of Jesus? NO. The point is, as you fail to understand simple English, that unless the sinner DOES something, like "repent and believe", they cannot be saved!
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I did not accuse you of equating it. I accused you of comparing it. This is yet another example of you twisting what I said in order to slam me. I am not the one failing to understand simple English.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Reformed1689 said:
I did not accuse you of equating it. I accused you of comparing it. This is yet another example of you twisting what I said in order to slam me. I am not the one failing to understand simple English.
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wrong again! Lets try once more, note what I said, "No, they did not come for their healing...that they REFUSE, that is CHOOSE not to go to Him for eternal life" THIS is the comparison, and NOT the cure for Covid and the blood of Jesus! You again cannot grasp these very simple things! :rolleyes:
 
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