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Biblical Chastening

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007.

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  1. Rufus_1611

    Rufus_1611 New Member

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    I, for one, understand and that's a fair suggestion. I do wonder though, why suggest to Lacy and not to SFIC? Does light blue take up less bandwith?
     
    #21 Rufus_1611, Aug 9, 2007
  2. James_Newman

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    Have you finished examining the hebrew?
     
    #22 James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007
  3. Lacy Evans

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    Hey it's a non-issue and easy to fix. I know DHK loves me.

    Also, look again at SFIC's signature. He didn't even have to be asked. Awesome!

    lacy
     
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  4. standingfirminChrist

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    I am assuming DHK did not mention my signature as I had not posted for several posts. But I have adjusted my signature to a smaller size. Any smaller, and the truth will not be seen.:wavey:
     
    #24 standingfirminChrist, Aug 9, 2007
  5. Lacy Evans

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    If it were me, I'd center-justify it.:thumbs:

    lacy
     
    #25 Lacy Evans, Aug 9, 2007
  6. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    As SFIC pointed out:
    There is definitely more than one meaning.
    You can't force your meaning, at your convenience, to fit your theology just whenever you like. My point has been made. Context has much to do with the meaning of the word.
     
    #26 DHK, Aug 9, 2007
  7. Rufus_1611

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    Beautiful...heretics and non-heretics working together again. Praise God! :thumbs:
     
    #27 Rufus_1611, Aug 9, 2007
  8. standingfirminChrist

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    I am so glad you recognized me as the non-heretic.:wavey:
     
    #28 standingfirminChrist, Aug 9, 2007
  9. James_Newman

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    I'm not trying to force anything except the recognition that chastening includes punishment. When God chastens, He punishes.
     
    #29 James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007
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    I figured I'd leave who is who to everyone's individual discernment :)
     
    #30 Rufus_1611, Aug 9, 2007
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    Not always James. Sometimes He chastens by instruction. by teaching.

    It is not always punishment.
     
    #31 standingfirminChrist, Aug 9, 2007
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    As I noted in a similar thread, I believe God SOMETIMES chastens us simply by allowing us to experience some or all of the natural consequences of our sin. That's not punishment because he's not adding consequences. He's simply allowing some consequences to occur as a lesson to us.
     
    #32 npetreley, Aug 9, 2007
  13. James_Newman

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    Well thats a step up from 'punishment is not chastening'. I'll take what I can get.
     
    #33 James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007
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    Maybe someone could quote my posts so this man could have something intelligent to add to the conversation.
     
    #34 James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007
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    Just the fact that one of the translations for yacar is teach shows that chastise does not always mean punishment.

    Think about it, if it always meant punishment, then we would see things like:

    You did not mow the lawn today, so as punishment, I am going to teach you that the Bible says Honor your mother and father.

    Makes no sense. Chastisement is not always punishment. It can be instruction too.
     
    #35 standingfirminChrist, Aug 9, 2007
  16. James_Newman

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    Proverbs 29:15
    15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

    Biblical chastisement includes the rod. If you always talk to your children, you aren't chastening them the way God told you to. But can you find me a scripture where God chastens His people with a stern talking to? I'd be interested in seeing it.
     
    #36 James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007
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    I'll do it! Oh wait...that won't help.:(
     
    #37 Rufus_1611, Aug 9, 2007
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    A rod and reproof are a good example of chastisement. Nowhere in heaven, at the JSOC, will you find chastisement (that is the rod and reproof). You will find reward and loss of reward. That is not chastisement. This ought to show the difference very clearly.
     
    #38 DHK, Aug 9, 2007
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    Clear as mud.

    Luke 12:46-47
    46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
    47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

    Where do stripes come from? They come from the rod.
     
    #39 James_Newman, Aug 9, 2007
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    We only need to observe the life of David to prove God chastizes in this life. It is kind of like the ridiculous argument that rears every now and then that Christians cannot sin. Look at David.

    The people in the Bible are there to teach us something, not just stories to memorize.
     
    #40 saturneptune, Aug 9, 2007
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