Biblical Chastening

[Rufus_1611]

Look at it this way. Threads are generally closed at around 30 pages. I have known some posters that made extremely long posts, some as long as one entire page. That is what I call "bandwith." Most of the posts here are not so long, in fact, fairly short giving a chance for many posters to post. But if Lacy continues to post, just like those posters who posted such long posts (and were rebuked for it), Lacy is taking up valuable space that could be used for someone else's post. Othewise this thread willl come to an end much quicker. I hope you can understand what I am saying.

I, for one, understand and that's a fair suggestion. I do wonder though, why suggest to Lacy and not to SFIC? Does light blue take up less bandwith?

 

[James_Newman]

Have you finished examining the hebrew?

 

[Lacy Evans]

I, for one, understand and that's a fair suggestion. I do wonder though, why suggest to Lacy and not to SFIC? Does light blue take up less bandwith?

Hey it's a non-issue and easy to fix. I know DHK loves me.

Also, look again at SFIC's signature. He didn't even have to be asked. Awesome!

lacy

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I am assuming DHK did not mention my signature as I had not posted for several posts. But I have adjusted my signature to a smaller size. Any smaller, and the truth will not be seen.:wavey:

 

[Lacy Evans]

I am assuming DHK did not mention my signature as I had not posted for several posts. But I have adjusted my signature to a smaller size. Any smaller, and the truth will not be seen.:wavey:

If it were me, I'd center-justify it.:thumbs:

lacy

 

[DHK]

Have you finished examining the hebrew?

As SFIC pointed out:

The word 'chastise' in the Old Testament...

Strong's Hebrew Dictionary
3256. yacar
[SIZE=-1]Search for H3256 in KJVSL[/SIZE] roy yacar yaw-sar' a primitive root; to chastise, literally (with blows) or figuratively (with words); hence, to instruct:--bind, chasten, chastise, correct, instruct, punish, reform, reprove, sore, teach.



As you can see, yacar means not only chastise, in some instances it means correct, in others correct, still others punish, etc.

There is definitely more than one meaning.
You can't force your meaning, at your convenience, to fit your theology just whenever you like. My point has been made. Context has much to do with the meaning of the word.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Hey it's a non-issue and easy to fix. I know DHK loves me.

Also, look again at SFIC's signature. He didn't even have to be asked. Awesome!

lacy

Beautiful...heretics and non-heretics working together again. Praise God! :thumbs:

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Beautiful...heretics and non-heretics working together again. Praise God! :thumbs:

I am so glad you recognized me as the non-heretic.:wavey:

 

[James_Newman]

As SFIC pointed out:

There is definitely more than one meaning.
You can't force your meaning, at your convenience, to fit your theology just whenever you like. My point has been made. Context has much to do with the meaning of the word.

I'm not trying to force anything except the recognition that chastening includes punishment. When God chastens, He punishes.

 

[Rufus_1611]

I am so glad you recognized me as the non-heretic.:wavey:

I figured I'd leave who is who to everyone's individual discernment

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I'm not trying to force anything except the recognition that chastening includes punishment. When God chastens, He punishes.

Not always James. Sometimes He chastens by instruction. by teaching.

It is not always punishment.

 

[npetreley]

Not always James. Sometimes He chastens by instruction. by teaching.

It is not always punishment.

As I noted in a similar thread, I believe God SOMETIMES chastens us simply by allowing us to experience some or all of the natural consequences of our sin. That's not punishment because he's not adding consequences. He's simply allowing some consequences to occur as a lesson to us.

 

[James_Newman]

Not always James. Sometimes He chastens by instruction. by teaching.

It is not always punishment.

Well thats a step up from 'punishment is not chastening'. I'll take what I can get.

 

[James_Newman]

As I noted in a similar thread, I believe God SOMETIMES chastens us simply by allowing us to experience some or all of the natural consequences of our sin. That's not punishment because he's not adding consequences. He's simply allowing some consequences to occur as a lesson to us.

Maybe someone could quote my posts so this man could have something intelligent to add to the conversation.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Just the fact that one of the translations for yacar is teach shows that chastise does not always mean punishment.

Think about it, if it always meant punishment, then we would see things like:

You did not mow the lawn today, so as punishment, I am going to teach you that the Bible says Honor your mother and father.

Makes no sense. Chastisement is not always punishment. It can be instruction too.

 

[James_Newman]

Just the fact that one of the translations for yacar is teach shows that chastise does not always mean punishment.

Think about it, if it always meant punishment, then we would see things like:

You did not mow the lawn today, so as punishment, I am going to teach you that the Bible says Honor your mother and father.

Makes no sense. Chastisement is not always punishment. It can be instruction too.

Proverbs 29:15
15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Biblical chastisement includes the rod. If you always talk to your children, you aren't chastening them the way God told you to. But can you find me a scripture where God chastens His people with a stern talking to? I'd be interested in seeing it.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Maybe someone could quote my posts so this man could have something intelligent to add to the conversation.

I'll do it! Oh wait...that won't help.

 

[DHK]

Proverbs 29:15
15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Biblical chastisement includes the rod. If you always talk to your children, you aren't chastening them the way God told you to. But can you find me a scripture where God chastens His people with a stern talking to? I'd be interested in seeing it.

A rod and reproof are a good example of chastisement. Nowhere in heaven, at the JSOC, will you find chastisement (that is the rod and reproof). You will find reward and loss of reward. That is not chastisement. This ought to show the difference very clearly.

 

[James_Newman]

A rod and reproof are a good example of chastisement. Nowhere in heaven, at the JSOC, will you find chastisement (that is the rod and reproof). You will find reward and loss of reward. That is not chastisement. This ought to show the difference very clearly.

Clear as mud.

Luke 12:46-47
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Where do stripes come from? They come from the rod.

 

[saturneptune]

You have defeated your own argument with this Scripture, the very Scripture which the author of the Book Hebrews uses for an illlustration of God's chastening upon His children.

He differentiates between chastening (discipline) and the ultimate punishment that results if the chastening fails. If the parental chastening fails in correcting the child then the child is taken out and stoned. The parallel to this in the NT is that God's mercy will only go so far on this earth with his children. The last stage of of the rod of his discipline is death, as it was with Annanias and Sapphira, or with the Corinthian believers in 1Cor.11:30. This we may call a "sin unto death." But only God can determine what that sin is. Man has no right to determine what it is. It is in God's program of chastening, and man has no claim to determine what God's omniscient plan in chastening his child is. That is the most arrogant of assumptions. All chastening by God happens on this earth. There is no indication to the contrary.

We only need to observe the life of David to prove God chastizes in this life. It is kind of like the ridiculous argument that rears every now and then that Christians cannot sin. Look at David.

The people in the Bible are there to teach us something, not just stories to memorize.