Biblical Chastening

We have established that sin forgiveness doesn't eliminate chastening. All you have to do is prove that chastisement is only for sancification and never for punishment. Does God punish believers for sins?

 

I'll go back to my original post:

Leviticus 26:14-33
14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.
27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savor of your sweet odors.
32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

Punishment and chastisement are synonyms.

 

So God can 'punish', 'chasten', 'discipline' believers even though their sins are 'paid for'.

 

I don't think you think that is what I am saying.

Punishment is a consequence. One could hardly argue that this (the death of his child) was a natural consequence, this was a super-natural consequence from God and he was told as much.

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Can a believer despise the chastening of the Lord? Can a believer faint? What happens then?

Or we can not confess them and not receive forgiveness?

Shouldn't we all be concerned about sin in our lives? Why is it that when we expect a free pass at the judgment seat, all those sins piling up don't cause any concern?

Is it fair for someone who sinned more to be saved in eternity and someone who sinned less to spend eternity in the lake of fire? Is it fair for Jesus Christ to pay for our sins? Nevertheless, I think there will be degrees of punishment during the millennium for those who do not enter the kingdom. Many stripes/few stripes, etc...

 

I'm saying that a believer is absolutely saved regardless of any sins they commit, don't confess, whatever. It's a free gift. But that free gift does not include reigning with Christ, that is a reward for faithful believers who will hear his word and do it. If missing that reign is a consequence of sin, how does that make us 'pay for our sin' if consequences in this life are not 'paying for our sin'?

Hebrews 12:11
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Does it yield the peacable fruit of righteousness unto them which despise the chastening, or faint when they are rebuked? If not, what does it yield?

You think confession is just to make you feel better? What about this verse-
Matthew 6:14-15
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Do you think that we can be saved by forgiving men their trespasses? Or is there a sense in which we must be forgiven that was not automatically accomplished at the cross?

So then you believe that a believer has something to fear at the judgment seat of Christ? What is that something? And why does my answer cause you to regret sin more than your answer?

I know.