Biblical Chastening

James, what is the purpose of the 1000 years in outerdarkness?

 

1. Where is the scriptural support?

2. My statement is the resistless conclusion of your statement about those who sin will miss the reign. Therefore, those who reign are those who do not sin. What prevents this conclusion in your argument?

3. What do you mean by a "relatively high degree of righteousness? Does it involve sinning along the way?

4. We're dealing with Heb 12:4-11. The text of Hebrews doesn't address what you're talking about. From Hebrews, I can't answer that.

5. I never said my sins but someone's sin. It may have been my sin. At any rate, I don't believe a true believer has sins piling up. The atonement has taken care of all sins, past, present and future.

6. Sins that we commit are part of the process of sanctification. Beyond that, I can venture anything for certain. It still remains a mystery to me. But your explanation would not work.

 

Good Point!

 

1. That entire Ch. demands an exegesis.

2. I admire your effort to provide an answer, but it wouldn't do it for me.

3. You seem to think so.

4. I know you guys don't like to hear about tensions in Scripture. Well, that is one such tension I'm happy to live with.

5. As a five-point conviced Calvinist, the elect of God are going to be with him; there's no layover on the way. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

 

Are you angry at me, Bob? Better reconcile or you won't be able to have communion, and you may end up in hell for 1,000 years.

 

This floors me to the point of suggesting that it is heresy (though I am not supposed to use that word). Where do you get the theology that the atonement is not sufficient to pay the penalty for all our sins. The SDA's believe in the "Investigative Judgement" where Christ continues to atone for our sins even now in heaven. That is indeed a heresy. Do you believe something similar? Is not the blood of Christ sufficient enough to pay the penalty of your sins, all of them, or do you have to provide some works to help Jesus along so that you can have a part in his work of salvation? That is what it sounds like to me. It is either Jesus paid it all (past, present, and future), or when you get to heaven you can boast and say: "Look everyone; look how I helped Jesus on the cross accomplish his great work of salvation by my works." Every work of repentance, confession, etc. after salvation is a work that adds to the work of Christ in salvation, unless Christ has taken care of it with his blood at the cross.
Thus the atonement cannot give us any punishment for our sins; any that will affect our salvation. All chastisement is confined to this earth only. And that is because we are forever his children.

 

That's exactly what it is, although they get around this by creating more than one salvation. There's salvation of the spirit, salvation of the soul, and salvation of the body. One is grace, another is works, etc. So they can look you in the face and say, "salvation is by grace alone" but really mean "your eternal salvation of your spirit is by grace alone, but other salvations require works and you will still suffer 1,000 years in hell for your sins if you don't confess them or work them off".

It's a clever system, because you can sound orthodox as long as you don't tell the whole story.

 

I am saved from the power of sin, the eternal consequence of sin, the penalty of sin.

Jesus paid it all,
All to Him I owe;
Sin had left a crimson stain,
He washed it white as snow.

Jesus said: "It is finished." There is nothing left to do. He paid the full penalty of our sin. Why do you try to add to what Christ already accomplished on the cross?

 

One of my favorite hymns! I became familiar with it thanks to Through The Bible Radio (J. Vernon McGee). I don't agree with some of the things McGee taught, but I learned a LOT from the program, and I always liked hearing that hymn.

 

I am talking about chastise and if you thank that all that will come at the end so be it. All I have to say are you a son of God? Heb 12:8 But if ye BE WITHOUT CHASTISEMENT, whereof all are partakers, THEN ARE YE BASTARDS, AND NOT SONS. I think you realy need to read what I wrote again. We are chastised which is Gods judgement to us that are saved so we will not be condemned with the world. And it is happening know. Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the LORD, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him. Heb 12:6 For whom the LORD loveth he CHASTENETH, AND SCOURGETH EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVETH. Heb 12:7 If ye endure CHASTENING, GOD DEALETH WITH YOU AS WITH SONS; FOR WHAT SON IS HE WHOM THE FATHER CHASTENETH NOT? It is know just like the KINGDOM OF GOD IS KNOW.

 

And where's your Scripture to prove otherwise?

 

Where does it say in this text that the elect are saved and some who are not elect are saved?