Biblical Chastening

Your theology has been called by many a "Baptist Purgatory" theology, and for good reason. I used to be Catholic. I will say to you what I now say to them.
You don't really believe that Jesus paid the penalty for your sins.
Why?
Because you believe that you must pay a part of that penalty in purgatory (ME) purging yourself from sin. You are still paying the penalty. Jesus blood wasn't sufficient. If it was you would enter straight into the Kingdom. Your arguments are fruitless, for whatever way you cut it, you are denying the sufficiency of the blood of Christ.
Chastisement applies only to this earth, this side of the rapture.

 

Amen! As sober and succinct as they come!

 

We need to be able to balance God's sovereignty in salvation and our responsibility in both salvation and sanctification.

 

Salvation is by grace through faith; this faith we must exercise. What about this is catholic? If by catholic you mean universally what everyone must do, then I grant that. But if you mean Catholicism, then you have failed to understand Eph.2:8

 

I bet you believe being born again means you need to go back into your moms belly:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

There are many such comparisons in the Bible.
Paul contrasts the works of the flesh to the fruit of the Spirit in Gal.5.
There is a contrast in Eph.2:8-10: salvation by faith; created unto works.
There is a contrast in James 2, if you understand the chapter properly.
Jesus makes the same contrast in John 15.

All this Scripture is essentially saying the same thing.
The fruit mentioned in 2Peter are the qualities of a believer. An unbeliever has no such fruit. All of the above passages suggest the same thing. The fruit of the Spirit is found only among beleivers. This is what Peter is basically listing--the qualities of a believer.
Take the contrary statement: If you don't continue in these things--then obviously you are not a believer. A believer has a changed life. He has the Holy Spirit dwelling within him. His life is evidenced by the fruit of the Spirit. Jesus said that he was the vine and we are the branches. What does a branch do--bear fruit. That is all that this passage is saying. It is not a passage commanding us to do works unto salvation.

 

Somethng that has never had life, was never alive in the first place could never be likened to a Christian.

 

1. James, what are you fishing for? If you want to find Catholicism in my comments you can find them.

2. But you know better than that. You know quite well what I believe. Are these the tactics that you are willing to resort to?

 

Stick to one parable at a time. I was talking about John 15 which was a vine (presumably grape), and Jesus never cursed it. One passage at a time.

 

Isa 1:18¶Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Your belief don't make a bit of sense as far as the remembering part. You now are trying to find a way out of the remembering part by saying "its a figure of speech" when He said they be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow.

Advocate means to plead your case, so Jesus when you sin, has to plead your case to God, and God forgives you because Jesus pleaded for you. So, you receive forgiveness for each sin you commit after salvation, when it is committed. :BangHead: Your theology turns out to be nothing but "a ticket to sin". It is absolutely insane to say the world commits adultery and they are "hell bound" but if the saved commit adultery "it is covered at the cross".

 

My grace is nothing to the Catholics. Eph 2:8, 9 is what I believe. I don't know what you are looking for.