Biblical Chastening

1. Who said anything about unbelievers being grafted into anything.
2. Show me any verse about "grafting" in John 15 which is the only passage that I referred to concerning a vine or tree bringing forth fruit.

 

What is faith? How are we saved by grace through faith?

 

Once again, this is not something we've said. But, I'm beginning to expect you to make things up.

We have not only stated that we are chastized in the flesh, but sometimes we pay the penalty in the flesh when someone else sins.

That does not preclude the chastizment the comes later for unconfessed sin.

Jesus' blood is sufficient to cover all sin.

But, you have to access it.

You do that by confessing your sin.

If you don't take advantage of it, doesn't mean the offer isn't there.

Tell you what? I'll give you $5. It's yours.

All you have to do is pick it up. I'm not shipping it to you.

Is it your $5?

Do you have it?

 

1. How do you believe, if not to exercise your faith?

2. Are you thinking that believe and faith have two different meanings in Acts 16 and Eph 2?

 

Every branch in me that beareth not fruit.

What does it mean to be in him?

 

1. For the record, having been regenerated, a person is enabled by God to repent and place faith in Christ for salvation.

2. Salvation is wholly a work of God. Even though the person exercises faith, that too is seen as an enablement by God. Salvation is monergistic.

 

So tell me your view on God, Bob. You have one of two choices:
1. He is God almighty, the Creator of the universe, omniscient in all things (and thus the word "remember does not apply to him in a negative since--as in forget) or:
2. Your view on God is that he is an old man in the sky that has Alzheimer's and tends to forget sins as soon as someone becomes saved, only because he is kind, gentle and merciful to his children.

What is your view of God, Bob?

For the unsaved Jesus offers to be your Savior (not your advocate). If you reject him he will someday be your Judge.
For the saved, Jesus offers to be your Advocate (not your Savior). He has already accomplished the work of salvation. Now he sits on the right hand of God interceeding for us; being our Advocate. This position is for the believers only. And, if perchance, a believer is in a state of sin when he dies, because Christ is His Saviour, his sin is covered by the blood of Christ--all of them were at the time of salvation, so he could never lose that salvation.

The thief died a thief. He never did a good work in his life. He wasn't even baptized. He was saved, but died a criminal, on the cross, in the very act of being executed. This is a good example of the fact that we never know what the last thoughts of a dying sinful man are. Only God has the right to judge those thoughts. He was a thief; and yet went to paradise. If his thoughts were not recorded, you would have condemned him to Hell.

 

My veiw on God is that He cannot lie? You believe when God says "never to be remember against you anymore" does not really mean that, but means every time you commit sin, you will have to confess your sin and have Jesus "plead" your case. Why would He have to "plead your case", if it was already forgiven. I have learned how the "Mega" churches fill their house now.

If your veiw is correct, then John the Baptist lost his head in vain. He should of told the King to accept Christ, then it would be lawful for him to have his brother Phillip's wife.

 

James Newman:

So He threatens us with hell as motivation to be good??

God chastens us in this life in order to change us, make us go in a different direction, to become Christ like.

1000 years of outerdarkness is nothing but punishment, which is not for the believer. It is for the unbeliever.


Jhn 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Those who are Christ's will be where He is. Those in hell, outerdarkness, lake of fire do NOT belong to Christ.

It's very simple if you believe God's word instead of making up your own theology.

 

By grace are ye saved THROUGH faith. What do you mean there's nothing there about excercising faith? It says it right there. "THROUGH faith".

 

I am sorry if you refuse to accept figurative expressions, even though I have given you many examples. Perhaps you had better bury the hatchet.

When a person becomes saved he doesn't get a licence to sin. In fact sin becomes even more abhorrent to him. Is that such a hard concept to understand?

 

A precious sister in the Lord can see how simple that is. We don't need to complicate stuff. It's Through Faith.

Thank you,
Amy.

 

I think it is Joey Faust's theology.

 

What does this question have to do with Paul's statement "By grace you are saved through faith."?