Biden saying now he will defeat the NRA

[church mouse guy]

What does the 2nd Amendment say is the purpose of bearing Arms?

The purpose is to prevent a government dictatorship. You cannot just read the clause: you have to resd the history behind it, Komrade.

 

[church mouse guy]

The purpose was to maintain the security of the State (I believe to prevent a federal government from becoming a "king").

" A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" does not prohibit the government from excluding types of weapons to the general public.

But often it is taken as an individual right that can be used against the State. It has already been mentioned that citizens need to be armed to prevent police from doing their will. The reason we have the right to bear Arms is because a "a well regulated Militia" is "necessary to the security of a free State".

words, words, words

 

[church mouse guy]

You know I have never shot a gun, but dont mind if others own and use them. I have held several pistols, some loaded. they are quite well machined. I am very mechanical and have rebuilt boat engines, cars and several automatic transmissions. I have wondered about buying a gun for home protection. So far our area has had no problems.

I live in a bad area: close to Indianapolis.

 

[Scott Downey]

I live in a bad area: close to Indianapolis.

I never hear gunfire, but some of these apartment complexes, shootings going on all night.

these places tend to heavily black apartment dwellers.
apartment gunfire newport news - Bing video

apartment gunfire chesapeake - Bing video

we had one incident looked like a war with people shooting semi automatics and the shooters could not hit the broadside of a barn, they shot up the whole place wildly. I wish I could find it again as it looked like Iraq.

apartment gunfire chesapeake wtkr wild shooting - Bing video

 

[church mouse guy]

You know I have never shot a gun, but dont mind if others own and use them. I have held several pistols, some loaded. they are quite well machined. I am very mechanical and have rebuilt boat engines, cars and several automatic transmissions. I have wondered about buying a gun for home protection. So far our area has had no problems.

I believe that Christians should own guns. Indiana has lifetime carry permits. I am in a township area serviced by a Sheriff several miles away. Indianapolis is just like Chicago in the percentage murder rate and a dangerous city. Almost all of the crime is black on black or black on white.

 

[Scott Downey]

I believe that Christians should own guns. Indiana has lifetime carry permits. I am in a township area serviced by a Sheriff several miles away. Indianapolis is just like Chicago in the percentage murder rate and a dangerous city. Almost all of the crime is black on black or black on white.

it is the same here about the gun shooting, Hampton Roads VA.

 

[Quantrill]

No. We wouldn't. Arms does not mean any type of Arms.

I would interpret the term "Arms" to indicate an effectiveness in securing the State (which would be more powerful weapons than most would want to allow).

@RighteousnessTemperance& makes a good observation about the purpose in regards to free States. The idea of State freedom no longer applies as we are not a Union of individual free States any more. So the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is questionable.

State freedom does apply as, much to Federalist's disappointment, the Tenth Amendment clearly states. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution...are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Only the powers 'delegated' to the Federal govt. belong at this time to the Federal govt. All others belong to the states at this time.

But, note the word 'delegated'. Delegated does not mean surrender to. It was delegated to....and it can be taken back. All powers still belong to the state. Some are at this time delegated to the Federal govt.

States can take them back whenever they want to. So says the Constitiution. But of course, the Federal govt will go to war over it. Nobody secedes from the U.S. The Constitution means nothing to liberal leftest, atheist, democrats.

Strange isn't it. The U.S. supports all secession movements in the world except hers.

Quantrill

 

[Wingman68]

And Texas considers succeeding. Other states interested in joining. The left may get more than they bargained for. Interesting to note that in a previous post I called magazines ‘clips’, but no one called me on it. You’re gonna need to step up your game, heh.

 

[Yeshua1]

FYI, the AR of AR15 does not stand for assault rifle. It stands for ARmalite, the manufacture.

AR 15 are not assault rifles !

 

[Yeshua1]

What does the 2nd Amendment say is the purpose of bearing Arms?

For home protection, and also just in case fed govt turns back into a Tyranny! Also used to get food and game!

 

[Yeshua1]

The purpose was to maintain the security of the State (I believe to prevent a federal government from becoming a "king").

" A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" does not prohibit the government from excluding types of weapons to the general public.

But often it is taken as an individual right that can be used against the State. It has already been mentioned that citizens need to be armed to prevent police from doing their will. The reason we have the right to bear Arms is because a "a well regulated Militia" is "necessary to the security of a free State".

Persons are free to protect themselves against criminals and the State when and if acting as criminals!

 

[Scott Downey]

For home protection, and also just in case fed govt turns back into a Tyranny! Also used to get food and game!

I wonder what kind of country my grandkids will get to experience...7, 6, 4

At 61, I could easily live another 20 years, maybe more. My parents are upper 80's and still ok. So I might have to see another 30 years of the USA spiraling into a morass of evil. Or maybe, God will grant us repentance to know the truth. You certainly wont get any truth or freedom from democrat socialists.

 

[Yeshua1]

State freedom does apply as, much to Federalist's disappointment, the Tenth Amendment clearly states. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution...are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Only the powers 'delegated' to the Federal govt. belong at this time to the Federal govt. All others belong to the states at this time.

But, note the word 'delegated'. Delegated does not mean surrender to. It was delegated to....and it can be taken back. All powers still belong to the state. Some are at this time delegated to the Federal govt.

States can take them back whenever they want to. So says the Constitiution. But of course, the Federal govt will go to war over it. Nobody secedes from the U.S. The Constitution means nothing to liberal leftest, atheist, democrats.

Strange isn't it. The U.S. supports all secession movements in the world except hers.

Quantrill

dems hate that state power, want all power residing in Big brother!

 

[Yeshua1]

I wonder what kind of country my grandkids will get to experience...7, 6, 4

Will there even be one if Jesus has not returned by then?

 

[Scott Downey]

Will there even be one if Jesus has not returned by then?

sure, always some kind of country, no idea how pleasant or peaceful life will be then.

 

[Yeshua1]

I wonder what kind of country my grandkids will get to experience...7, 6, 4

At 61, I could easily live another 20 years, maybe more. My parents are upper 80's and still ok. So I might have to see another 30 years of the USA spiraling into a morass of evil. Or maybe, God will grant us repentance to know the truth. You certainly wont get any truth or freedom from democrat socialists.

well. know that trump would not have obeyed and followed Antichrist if showing up, but this current leadership?

 

[Yeshua1]

sure, always some kind of country, no idea how pleasant or peaceful life will be then.

Just wondering this means USA time now over, just as was for Rome and Britain!

 

[JonC]

The purpose is to prevent a government dictatorship. You cannot just read the clause: you have to resd the history behind it, Komrade.

It is not a clause, Antifa, it is an amendment to the constitution. And it is designed to prevent the federal government from usurping the freedom of the State. You cannot simply rely on BLM and say the 2nd amendment is your individual right to keep the police from "exercising their will" over you. Regardless of your personal belief, the police are not the ones the amendment is intended to keep in check. States are not the one, my Antifa friend, that the second amendment is designed to guard against.

 

[Scott Downey]

Just wondering this means USA time now over, just as was for Rome and Britain!

Actually, I want to see the conservative states pull away from the federal government, ignore some of the crud that will be coming down the pike from the new laws they will pass, as you know they wont be good for the well being of our country, so they should be opposed every step of the way, and people educated better about the evils of democratic socialism.

I am talking about the powers that be, not our Christianity, since if someone makes us walk with them 1 mile, we are told to walk with them 2 miles, so that in the Day of Judgement they get extra heaping amounts of burning coals on their heads...

 

[JonC]

words, words, words

That is the issue, isn't. I provide the actual amendment and you, my Antifa brother, consider those to merely be meaningless words. We agree on much, and we disagree on much. For example, I do believe that Black lives matter, but I disagree with the movement and I strongly disagree that the Second Amendment was designed for citizens to keep the police in check.