Billy Graham on How to Become a Christian

[TCassidy]

I am 100% right, the Church did not begin until men began to be Baptized with the Holy Ghost

The disciples, in the upper room, were baptized by Christ into the Holy Spirit prior to Pentecost. The evidence of that was publicly displayed on the day of Pentecost, "not many days hence."

 

[Darrell C]

As soon as you can get your false doctrine, contrary to scripture, out of your head we can go on to the implications regarding the condition of the Old Testament Saints.

I cannot get it out of my head, or out of my heart, because it is the Word of God, my friend.

I regularly show the condition of the Old Testament Saint, and it was a condition of being in need of Eternal Redemption:


Hebrews 11:39-40
King James Version (KJV)

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


Pay attention to what is being said:


Hebrews 1:1-2
King James Version (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

But you can't understand the latter until you understand the former.

How would you know. You display a very frail grasp of some very basic truths.

And you ignore the Word of God.

You impose into the Old Testament that which is not there, as I said, you are teaching popular pulpit mythology.

The Old Testament Saints did not receive Eternal Redemption prior to the Cross, the provision they had was a temporal and temporary provision for atonement and remission of sins. Noah, Abraham, and David all died offering up animal sacrifice, and their descendants did likewise. The reason is, again, very basic:


Hebrews 10:1-4
King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


Hebrews 10:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Go and learn what that meaneth.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

What is false?

The Baptism into Christ and the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. *By the way, the above is a direct quote from your post.)

This...

Of course. Because, compared to you, Adam and Eve were really, really stupid.

...is a direct quote.

You continue to bear false witness.

But thanks for admitting you deny a basic Bible Doctrine. Here are the Scriptures for these two statements...


1 Corinthians 12:12-13
King James Version (KJV)

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


Now what Body is it we are baptized into again?


Acts 1:4-5
King James Version (KJV)

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


Now what does Christ the Baptizer baptize with again?

If you stop denying these basic truths it won't hurt you, I promise. Your pride, maybe, lol.


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[Darrell C]

Why else would you come into this thread and begin arguing something not even relevant to what I have said (at least you are consistent) and being hurling insults?

How can I like or dislike you. I don't know you. You are just a screen name.

Please.

Well, the answer to the first part of your question is" "That is what the Baptist Board is for. To discuss such issues from a bible-believing position."

I agree, so why don't you try to do a little discussing.

I don't mind insults, sarcasm, or even your bearing of false witness and false arguments...

...but at least address the Scripture and points.

But the second, the allegation, is patently false.

Please.

However, the fact that you can't see the relevance of your false understanding of "baptism by the Holy Spirit"

False witness.

Quote me saying "Baptism by the Holy Spirit."

You will not because you cannot. A direct quote this time.


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[Darrell C]

However, the fact that you can't see the relevance of your false understanding of "baptism by the Holy Spirit" and "baptism into Christ"

You do not believe believers are baptized into Christ? And I am not speaking of water baptism, I am talking about believers being immersed into Christ.

That we are "in Christ" is just basic.

However, the fact that you can't see the relevance of your false understanding of "baptism by the Holy Spirit" and "baptism into Christ" regarding the condition of the Old Testament Saints is the very basis of the discussion.

How would you know what the basis of the discussion is? You have not addressed anything I have said, any Scripture I have presented as support, or even been accurate in "directly quoting" me.

You have to create the above false argument just to stay in the "discussion."

When you come to understand the first is untrue, then you will understand that your attempt to apply the (non-existent) first to the Old Testament Saints is patently absurd.

And when you admit this is a false argument not relevant to the first thing I have said perhaps you will then give attention to what I am saying.

And do me a favor, don't close the thread until I get to all of your posts.


God bless.

 

[TCassidy]

That we are "in Christ" is just basic.

Yes, we all know that, but we are not "baptized into Christ." The only place the phrase "baptized into Christ" is found in the bible is
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

And

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Both are referring to water baptism, not some mythical "baptism in (of, with, etc.) the Holy Spirit."

 

[Darrell C]

So why are you teaching it?

I'm not.

You must be, you won't find it in any of my posts.

The better question is why are you bearing false witness?

I'm not.

You are:

However, the fact that you can't see the relevance of your false understanding of "baptism by the Holy Spirit"

Show me where I said this.

Quote me saying this. If it is found in one of my posts show me, it wouldn't be the first time I have made an error.

It is good to see you have finally abandoned your false teaching that the Holy Spirit baptizes people into Christ.

My Doctrine is consistent, I know what I say.

You continue to bear false witness, hence my statement is affirmed. You know what I'm talking about, that which you edited.

The only false teaching here is yours. You are bearing false witness. I guess this is your only recourse.

No. I just quote the bible which says the Holy Spirit does not baptize anyone into anything or anyone.

Two verses and you are "quoting the Bible?"

And I would like to see this Bible of yours, and exactly which verse it is that says "...the Holy Spirit does not baptize anyone into anything or anyone."

Here is what The Bible states explicitly:


1 Corinthians 12:13
King James Version (KJV)

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.


And I have given you multiple passages which affirm that we are placed in Christ when we are Eternally Redeemed.

Another simple question: does your Bible have pictures?

It is Christ baptizing the church in the Holy Spirit that the bible is teaching.

Which brings us back to what the discussion is about: no man was Baptized with the Holy Ghost prior to Pentecost. No man was immersed into the Body of Christ. Which is the same as saying no man was baptized into Christ.

The good news is that we are on page 8, so it won't be much longer you will have to dodge these simple questions, chief.

But it is good you have abandoned that false teaching. We are making progress.

lol

Some people's kids...

Again, quote me. Stop bearing false witness. That would be progress, lol.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

First, show me where the Church is Baptized with the Holy Ghost collectively.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized in water; but you (the 120 assembled in the upper room) shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence.

That is not showing that the Church was "collectively Baptized with the Holy Ghost."

And you know it.

Abandon your popular pulpit mythology, TCassidy.

Every believer is Baptized with the Holy Ghost at the moment of salvation.

You are teaching the error that has been popular for quite some time, and you have not the first passage or verse to support it.

But thanks for having the courage to admit your error publicly. Took several pages, but you finally did it:

That baptism was a one time event of the whole church, present in the upper room, and future,

This will make quite an interesting thread, thanks!


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[Darrell C]

And I will show you Acts 10-11 where we see an individual and his household Baptized with the Holy Ghost and he is said to be saved, and to have received the Gift of God, and to have been granted repentance unto life.

The most we can say about Acts chapters 10 and 11 is that

10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

No baptism there.

There is.

And I quote:

Because you can't see it does not mean it is not there.

Your charismatic doctrine is in error, the Disciples were not simply "empowered," this was something that had not taken place before. They were "empowered during Christ's Ministry to cast out demons, heal, and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Peter defines what takes place in Chapter Ten:


Acts 11:13-18
King James Version (KJV)

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

If you'd take a little time to actually read the Word of God being given to you, you would see that "the Holy Ghost falling on them" is the same thing that happened to the disciples at the beginning, meaning Pentecost, when the Promised Spirit was given.

Peter then recalls the Lord's statement and ties it to the Baptism with the Holy Ghost.

And you call this mythical.

Absolutely amazing.


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[Darrell C]

10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

No baptism there.

It's there, the only question is why, after having been associated with Bible loving Christians who are here to discuss the Word of God so long...you can't see it?

Again I quote:


Hebrews 5:10-14
King James Version (KJV)

10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.




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[Darrell C]

10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

The only baptism was in water.

Sorry, no, unless you want to add to your error and say that Cornelius and his household were saved by being immersed in water:


Acts 11:14-6
King James Version (KJV)

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.


Peter states that what took place was that they were Baptized with the Holy Ghost.

You need to remove yourself from popular pulpit mythology and embrace the Word of GOd.

They received the Holy Ghost
but were not baptized in Him.

They were. God is One, and we are indwelt and in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:


John 14:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


John 14:20-23
King James Version (KJV)

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


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[Darrell C]

This...

Yes, we all know that, but we are not "baptized into Christ." The only place the phrase "baptized into Christ" is found in the bible is
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

And

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Both are referring to water baptism, not some mythical "baptism in (of, with, etc.) the Holy Spirit."

...will, as I said, make an interesting thread. I'd like to see just how many people think like that (that the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is a myth).

Baptism is an immersion:




Acts 11:13-18
King James Version (KJV)

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


That you think the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is a myth speaks volumes.

But this is the inevitable result of ignoring the simple truths presented to you. And I speak to everyone who has tried to deny them.


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[Yeshua1]

Sorry, no, they were saved by grace through faith based on their obedience to the revelation available to them.

But thanks for your opinion.




This is true.




Yeshua1, you have been shown numerous times that this is not the case.

Their sins were forgiven, they did receive atonement...through animal sacrifice.

You are teaching heresy and equating the sacrifice of animals with the Sacrifice of Christ.


Hebrews 10:1-4
King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


Hebrews is specific to the people of Israel, but, the blood (death) of animals offered up by Abel, Noah, and Abraham...

...didn't take their sins, despite their receiving atonement and remission of sins through those sacrifices.

This...

Hebrews 10:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

...is the only Sacrifice that can take away sins and the penalty, and make the comer thereunto...perfect.

That is...complete in regards to the subject the Writer is trying to teach you about, which is Remission of sins.

This is the (one) promise of God in the Old Testament...


Jeremiah 31:31-34
King James Version (KJV)

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Hebrews 10:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Do you understand that when Abel died...men kept offering up sacrifice?

When Noah died...men kept offering up sacrifice?

When Abraham died...men kept offering up sacrifice?

When Christ died...there is no more offering for sacrifice?

Honestly, Yeshua1, this is just basic. You need to let that pulpit mythology go.




So did Remission of Sins on an eternal basis, as shown above.

So did Eternal Redemption, as shown here...


Hebrews 9:12-15
King James Version (KJV)

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


Abraham and David did not receive the promises:


Hebrews 11:13
King James Version (KJV)

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.


They were not made perfect:


Hebrews 11:39-40
King James Version (KJV)

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


So your statement...



...is grave error, though a common one embraced by many.


God bless.

Paul in romans shows to us that Abraham, david, Moses ANY saved of the OT times were saved by faith in God and in His promise of a coming Messiah, period.
And he also stated that the blood of lambs, bulls etc never ever did atone/cleanse from and for sins!

 

[Darrell C]

Baptism is you in the Holy Spirit.

But we're not in Christ? We're not in the Father?

John 14:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


John 14:20-23
King James Version (KJV)

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


We don't see the words "Trinity" or "Second Coming" but, just like the Baptism with the Holy Ghost...it's in there.


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[Darrell C]

Paul in romans shows to us that Abraham, david, Moses ANY saved of the OT times were saved by faith in God and in His promise of a coming Messiah, period.
And he also stated that the blood of lambs, bulls etc never ever did atone/cleanse from and for sins!

Try reading a post you are responding to for a change.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Receiving is the Holy Spirit in you.

Correct.

And it is us in the Spirit.

And it is Christ in us.

And it is us in Christ.

And it is the Father in us.

And it is us in the Father.


John 14:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


John 14:20-23
King James Version (KJV)

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Big difference.

You mean as opposed to the "myth" of the Baptism with the Holy Ghost?


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[Darrell C]

11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

No baptism there.

11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized in water; but you shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

And there we have it.

Correct: we have the account of Cornelius being Baptized with the Holy Ghost.

It was how he was saved:


Acts 11:13-16
King James Version (KJV)

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.


Two Baptisms in view, the Baptism with the Holy Ghost, and water baptism. Their salvation took place when they received the Holy Ghost:


Acts 11:17-18
King James Version (KJV)

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


What do you think it means to receive the Gift through believing on Jesus Christ?

What do you think God granting repentance unto life means?

Here's a hint:


John 7:38-39
King James Version (KJV)

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


You keep your charismatic doctrine, I will stick with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.


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[Yeshua1]

Correct: we have the account of Cornelius being Baptized with the Holy Ghost.

It was how he was saved:


Acts 11:13-16
King James Version (KJV)

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.


Two Baptisms in view, the Baptism with the Holy Ghost, and water baptism. Their salvation took place when they received the Holy Ghost:


Acts 11:17-18
King James Version (KJV)

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


What do you think it means to receive the Gift through believing on Jesus Christ?

What do you think God granting repentance unto life means?

Here's a hint:


John 7:38-39
King James Version (KJV)

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


You keep your charismatic doctrine, I will stick with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.


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Were the OT saints in the body of Christ, will they beat the time of the Second Coming?

 

[Darrell C]

He had to think clear back to the upper room event.

Correct. And he makes it clear that what happened to Cornelius is what happened to them, which itself is made clear by Christ:


Acts 1:4-5
King James Version (KJV)

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

That baptism was a one time event of the whole church, present in the upper room, and future,

Great, now all you have to do is find Scripture to support that.

Is there a picture of that in your Bible?

collectively resulting in even the hated gentiles being empowered by the Holy Spirit after salvation.

The Baptism with the Holy Ghost doesn't refer to empowering, TCassidy, that is the filling of the Holy Ghost which has been going on since the world began.

What is taking place here is something that is new to the world, and it began at Pentecost.

The whole point of Acts 10 and 11 is the inclusion of the Gentiles in the Family of God.

Twaddle.

While it is true this is an authentication of Gentile Inclusion, and that they are being saved the same way the Jews are is true, however, what you are forgetting (ignoring, denying, and blind to) is...

...both Jew and Gentile are only now being made one in the Body of Christ,

No Jew was ever placed into Christ prior to the coming of the Comforter, that is just a fact taught by Christ. He teaches this as a future event, not something that was already taking place.

And my point in regards to Cornelius was to counter the false teachings...

That baptism was a one time event of the whole church, present in the upper room, and future, collectively resulting in even the hated gentiles being empowered by the Holy Spirit after salvation.

What is humorous is that even in this false teaching you confirm my doctrine, lol. Because what you say with the first false teaching is that it was not until Pentecost that the Old Testament Saints were...in the Spirit.

Kind of makes it hard to prove an equable salvation in the Old Testament Saint, doesn't it?

My suggestion is that you add the word "past" in with the first false teaching.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Were the OT saints in the body of Christ, will they beat the time of the Second Coming?

No man was in Christ until the Promised Spirit was sent. I have numerous times shown you that, so why do you keep asking the same questions over and over?


God bless.