Biracial Marriage

[4boys4joys]

Everyone is "Bi-Racial"

... Or for that matter multi racial. There is no purity to any race.Did you hear about the woman in England who had a black child even though both parents where white. A DNA test proved that it was in indeed their child. What do you do then take the child to a black family even though God made them that way and ordained those parents for that child. Genetics has a funny way of making a fool of things we think we understand. When you marry a German and a French woman that is bi racial. It is not just color it is origin that determines what race you are. There are many races of people that have brown skin but they are not all black.

May our only prejudice be to the Gospel.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Hate to burst everybody Kumbaya, feel good thread, but God is a God of order and not of confusion.

Yes. But there are many people who are confused. The world, who does not submit to God, is confused because they are missing the Source of Life and Truth, and many Christians are confused because they go along with the world’s philosophies instead of living by God’s callings.

Bi-racial marriages create more confusion than harmony.

The “confusion” is not caused by “bi-racial marriages,” but rather the hardness of the hearts of those who judge others by their appearance and ethnic background.

Since prejudices exist and we live in an imperfect world, the offspring of bi-racial marriages are subject to hardship because of the desire of their parents to wed another race.

Yes, but everyone has hardships they endure. We can’t let the prejudices of others dictate what is correct. Jesus demonstrated that very clearly in His incarnate ministry (FYI, judging according to the flesh, He would be considered a minority to the fine white racists of the United States). It seems clear to me that condemning inter-ethnic (“bi-racial”) marriages is a rejection of a very important part of the teachings of Jesus. (FYI, Jesus was of a “mixed” background if you look carefully at the geneologies.)

Marriages are difficult enough to maintain apart from bi-racial distractions.

Yes, that’s true.

I do not perform bi-racial marriages.

That’s too bad. However, if your conscience won’t allow it, then don’t do it.

I'm sure I will be called a racist and a bigot, but talk to many other races and deep down they feel the same way.

I have... Actually, I can’t talk to other “races” (or even ethnic groups) since no one person can speak for all members (that would be pre-judging all members of an ethnic group according to the beliefs and actions of one = prejudice). However, I’ve talked to persons of African descent, Asian descent, Middle Eastern descent, Native American descent, and various Hispanic ethnicities. I’ve found that some of them do harbor ethnic prejudices (just like white folks), but there are also many others who do not and have intermarried.

You just can’t make blanket statements like that and expect to be taken seriously.

I respect all races and freely share worship of God with all races, but to marry and lie with them is another matter and I hope they feel the same way about me.

I have to disagree. One of the callings of the gospel to break down cultural and ethnic barriers. That certainly does not mean that we are required to marry someone of another ethnic heritage, but that does mean that we should not hold our brothers and sisters of different ethnicities at arm’s length and refuse to allow them to be part of our spiritual and physical families.

God made us different for a reason.

Yep. He made us different so we could learn to love each other based on the calling of the gospel, not ethnic or nationalistic terms.

Our cultures are different and rich with tradition. These things matter. It gives children identity and sense of belonging.

I have respect for my cultural heritage (both the mongrel U.S. side and the Austrian-Eastern European side), but I prize my identity in Christ above all that. My sense of belonging comes from my spiritual family, not from some sense that I am physically whiter than most white people.

Is your culture and heritage important to you or do you wish for it to eventually fade and pass away because no one cared to preserve it.

Unless you are marrying close family members, each generation incorporated a different “heritage” into the family line. To be blunt, my Scottish surname is nearly irrelevant to me because my father’s family is more than 200 years removed from Scotland. However, my mother’s Austrian heritage is much more relevant to me since her family came to the U.S. a few years after World War II. In about three generations I expect that my mother’s heritage will be only a sidenote in our family history.

My nephews, who have an African-American father and a 1/4 Norwegian (and otherwise white) mother celebrate both ethnicities. It’s not really a problem.

Whether, African American, Asian, Hispanic, or Caucasian, we all have our personal touch by the Hand of God.

Yep, and if you believe the Bible teaches literal history, you know that we all descended from Adam and Eve and that we have common ancestors in Noah’s family.

 

[Baptist Believer]

That's why I said to consider the grief you are placing on your children.

Nope. Let's put the blame where it belongs Parents of differing ethnic backgrounds are not placing grief on their children. Those who are hard hearted toward those who are different from them are the ones who are responsible.

God loves them, as He does us all, but if they live and grow up, it will be in an imperfect world where they will suffer.

They are going to suffer anyway. There are always racist people who dislike you according to your appearance (yes, even whites are victims of prejudice). You can't let the possibility of adversity prevent you from doing what is right. Frankly, churches need to be at the forefront of this and create environments where couples of mixed ethnicities and their offspring are welcomed and celebrated.

If time permitted and all races homogenized, eventually only one race would exist, but it hasn't yet.

We are headed that way, and I think that's probably a very good thing.

If you remember in the Bible why we were made different to begin with I think you will have a better understanding why God wants our differences to be appreciated and preserved.

Are you referencing the "Tower of Babel" story? Would you give some scriptural support to your views?

 

[4boys4joys]

Question for Cutter

Would you lead a bi-racial couple to Christ but have someone else officiate the wedding? How would you explain that?

 

[abcgrad94]

If you remember in the Bible why we were made different to begin with I think you will have a better understanding why God wants our differences to be appreciated and preserved.

Could you give a scriptural reference to this, please? My KJV Bible says God made us male and female. It doesn't say black and white or red and yellow.

As far as giving our children a heritage, yes scripture specifically instructs us to leave a spiritual heritage, but, I haven't read anything about preserving and appreciating our physical differences.

Adolf Hitler had the idea to preserve his "white race." He specifically wanted to make sure that tall, blue-eyed, blond people would procreate only with each other. Look what happened! People thought they were superior to other ethnic groups and the results were deadly.

In Christ we are one. Why should the rest matter?

 

[Cutter]

Could you give a scriptural reference to this, please?

Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The motto of the world is confederate. The teaching of God, separate.
The scattering of the people and the confounding of the languages became the separation of the nations and races.

The mob mentality is destructive in society today and the mob mentality was confounded by God then. Contrary to popular belief, man is becoming more degenerate and morally depraved every passing day. Instead of improving as a society and people we are waxing worse and worse. Why? One reason is because of the influence of men upon men. Some have stated how that things are more acceptable today and how nobody notices lifestyle alternatives as they once did. We no longer let the Bible be our standard, but take an assessment of what is accepted by our fellow man. "Hey, if everybody else is doing it, it must be OK!"
Nah, just that men have changed, but God hasn't.

 

[rbell]

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[rbell]

Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The motto of the world is confederate. The teaching of God, separate.
The scattering of the people and the confounding of the languages became the separation of the nations and races.

The mob mentality is destructive in society today and the mob mentality was confounded by God then. Contrary to popular belief, man is becoming more degenerate and morally depraved every passing day. Instead of improving as a society and people we are waxing worse and worse. Why? One reason is because of the influence of men upon men. Some have stated how that things are more acceptable today and how nobody notices lifestyle alternatives as they once did. We no longer let the Bible be our standard, but take an assessment of what is accepted by our fellow man. "Hey, if everybody else is doing it, it must be OK!"
Nah, just that men have changed, but God hasn't.

Then your problem should be with a bilingual marriage, not a biracial one. Thus, a white American and Caucasian German would be an unscriptural union...but an american Black and White's would be OK.

Sorry...Keep coming down on it if you wish, but you're off base.

The Bible is my standard. That's why bi-racial relationships don't offend me.

 

[Cutter]

Then your problem should be with a bilingual marriage, not a biracial one.

:laugh:
Great humor!

 

[4boys4joys]

Will You Answer My Question-cutter

Just wondering if you could answer my question ?

 

[rbell]

:laugh:
Great humor!

But I wasn't joking...:thumbs: :laugh:

God "confused their languages." So, using your logic, shouldn't the issue be language, not color or culture?

 

[Cutter]

But I wasn't joking...:thumbs: :laugh:

God "confused their languages." So, using your logic, shouldn't the issue be language, not color or culture?

Nah, really? You weren't joking? After everything I said in the post you understood it to mean there are not supposed to be bi-lingual marriages? Language is only one very small factor among the different races and nations, and because God said He would scatter the people you take that to mean His primary objective was so they would speak different languages?

Unbelievable!

 

[Helen]

Thought I would chime in here with a bit of a biology lesson for Cutter. When you have a large, basically homogenous populations, which is what we can assume at Babel, if you like, and then split it up into small groups, here is what will happen: each group will be without some of the possible variations other parts of the whole contributed. As a result, there will be a number of recessive genes in each group which have a chance to be influential. Before they may have shown up now and then, but the general mixing would have submerged them again.

But now each isolated group will start to show some identifying characteristics. Each group, as well, will start to show susceptibility toward certain disabilities and/or diseases which was not a problem when the mix was greater.

In short, every single subgroup is weaker genetically than the whole was. In terms of humans, what I find rather funny is that it is often the 'aryan' blonde blue-eyed folk who think of themselves as superior. They couldn't be more wrong (and I am one, folks). Most of what they pride themselves about has to do with recessive genes and inherent weaknesses!

The actual fact of the matter is that when there is a marriage/mating between subgroups, the offspring will generally be healthier than either of the parents as a general rule. In other words, the more you can consider yourself a 'human mutt' the healthier you probably are and the better off your children are.

Sorry, Cutter. Our separation at Babel was to prevent the rebellion from building so quickly again. Subgroup characteristics were simply a biological result which happens any time you separate any population into subgroups. Dogs are an excellent example. Mutts are almost always healthier and sturdier than the 'purebreds.'

Same with people.

 

[Cutter]

Thought I would chime in here with a bit of a biology lesson for Cutter.

Thanks, I enjoyed reading your post. It is/was very enlightening.

In short, every single subgroup is weaker genetically than the whole was. In terms of humans, what I find rather funny is that it is often the 'aryan' blonde blue-eyed folk who think of themselves as superior. They couldn't be more wrong (and I am one, folks). Most of what they pride themselves about has to do with recessive genes and inherent weaknesses!

Hopefully no one is being accused of racism here, even though the statements wreak of such. Just for the record I do not believe one race is superior to another.

The actual fact of the matter is that when there is a marriage/mating between subgroups, the offspring will generally be healthier than either of the parents as a general rule. In other words, the more you can consider yourself a 'human mutt' the healthier you probably are and the better off your children are.

So are you endorsing inter-racial marriage in the name of health?

Sorry, Cutter. Our separation at Babel was to prevent the rebellion from building so quickly again.

And where did I imply otherwise. In fact, this I what i said, "The mob mentality is destructive in society today and the mob mentality was confounded by God then. Contrary to popular belief, man is becoming more degenerate and morally depraved every passing day. Instead of improving as a society and people, we are waxing worse and worse."

I see no contradiction.

 

[Cutter]

Would you lead a bi-racial couple to Christ but have someone else officiate the wedding? How would you explain that?

I enjoy leading any and everyone to Christ. Marrying them and leading them to Christ are two totally different endeavors.
They have a mind of their own. Respecting and agreeing with my convictions are two different things. They are at liberty to disagree with me. I respect their opinion and hopefully they will respect mine.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I enjoy leading any and everyone to Christ. Marrying them and leading them to Christ are two totally different endeavors.
They have a mind of their own. Respecting and agreeing with my convictions are two different things. They are at liberty to disagree with me. I respect their opinion and hopefully they will respect mine.

Bigotry does not deserve respect.

 

[Cutter]

Bigotry does not deserve respect.

Magnetic Poles, I rarely agree with you, but I'm glad you contributed something to the thread that I can agree with. Thanks!

 

[Cutter]

big·ot - noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

I said I would respect someone else's opinion and I would hope they would respect mine.

Your post implicates yourself since it fits the definition and if it was directed towards me.
Should I give you the benefit of a doubt? If not, you're a sly fox! And here I was thanking you. :tonofbricks:

 

[FriendofSpurgeon]

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[FriendofSpurgeon]

Hate to burst everybody Kumbaya, feel good thread, but God is a God of order and not of confusion. Bi-racial marriages create more confusion than harmony. Since prejudices exist and we live in an imperfect world, the offspring of bi-racial marriages are subject to hardship because of the desire of their parents to wed another race.
Marriages are difficult enough to maintain apart from bi-racial distractions. I do not perform bi-racial marriages. I'm sure I will be called a racist and a bigot, but talk to many other races and deep down they feel the same way. I respect all races and freely share worship of God with all races, but to marry and lie with them is another matter and I hope they feel the same way about me. God made us different for a reason. Our cultures are different and rich with tradition. These things matter. It gives children identity and sense of belonging. Is your culture and heritage important to you or do you wish for it to eventually fade and pass away because no one cared to preserve it. Whether, African American, Asian, Hispanic, or Caucasian, we all have our personal touch by the Hand of God.

Questions:
Would you have married me (Scotch-Irish) + and my wife (Hispanic)?
Would you have maried my friends (she is caucasion and her husband is Arabic)?
Would you have married other friends (he is caucasion, she is Jamaican)?
Or other friends (he is African, she is caucasion)?
Or other friends (he is Chinese-Jamaican and she is caucasion)?

Just wondering. What would be your Scriptural basis for doing so or not doing so?

BTW, I think you can see that mixed families where I live and go to church are not very unusual, so there is no discrimination, etc.