Biracial Marriage

[Joe]

You bring up an interesting point here, John. One that I have witnessed, both often and firsthand, especially in divorce.

Children seek to please their parents, because they love them. They think if they try to be really, really good, maybe Mommy and Daddy will get back together again. The parents ignorantly accept this as adjustment and acceptance on the part of the child.
They tell others how well the child[ren] are handling it when, in fact, the children are confiding in other loved ones their anguish and heartache. It is so sad, especially for the children and so disgusting to see selfish adults be so ignorant.

Cutter,


I believe I see it too. I think it eases their conscience to tell themselves how good their children are doing. Maybe they can barely handle their own emotions after the trauma of divorce.
I have also met single parents who are just a blessing. They are an inspiration, and do more than I believe I could walking in their shoes.


Joe

 

[Filmproducer]

Let me say this one more time for those that choose to listen.
I am not a racist. When I added my first post I mentioned that I would be called this and a bigot. I do not think one race is superior over another. People preach to people like me tolerance, and yet they are the ones that are intolerant of others just because they do not agree with them. As if that's not bad enough they begin to call them racists and bigots. I would never mistreat any child because of their race. I would never mistreat any adult because of their race. I work in Atlanta. The other night our crew existed of 7 men. All black except me. On other nights there may be one other white guy. These men are my friends. I've laughed with them, I've prayed with them. You don't know me, yet you feel licensed to slander me. I respect everybody else's decision on here in their relationships. More power to you. Don't hate me just because you disagree with me.

You know what, Cutter? You don't know me either, yet you publically disgraced MY family. You get what you give, and your self righteous whining does not not phase me. Your posts pretty much implied that God was 1. not a God of confusion, 2. that He was a God of order, and 3. Bi-racial marriages are unbiblical because of this very reason. So boo-hoo you were called a bigot. I'm crying for you right now. :tear:

 

[Filmproducer]

You bring up an interesting point here, John. One that I have witnessed, both often and firsthand, especially in divorce.

Children seek to please their parents, because they love them. They think if they try to be really, really good, maybe Mommy and Daddy will get back together again. The parents ignorantly accept this as adjustment and acceptance on the part of the child.
They tell others how well the child[ren] are handling it when, in fact, the children are confiding in other loved ones their anguish and heartache. It is so sad, especially for the children and so disgusting to see selfish adults be so ignorant.

Right, bi-racial parents just don't want to see the truth of the suffering of their children because of their mixed heritage. Bi-racial children the world over are PRETENDING for the sake of mom and dad, right? You certainly live in a bubble don't you. And you wonder why people called you names.... If the shoe fits wear it. From where I'm sitting it is a perfect fit.

 

[Joe]

Right, bi-racial parents just don't want to see the truth of the suffering of their children because of their mixed heritage. Bi-racial children the world over are PRETENDING for the sake of mom and dad, right? You certainly live in a bubble don't you. And you wonder why people called you names.... If the show fits wear it. From where I'm sitting it is a perfect fit.

I believe if you read Cutter's quote carefully, it is speaking of divorced parents, not bi-racial parents. (Yes, I read his first sentence in the quote). He has also stated he is not racist and I believe him (of course). If we don't believe what the poster is telling us, we are not debating on their solid foundational beliefs. So what's the use.

It doesn't speak of any child "pretending" for the sake of mom and dad but it reads the child is only trying to please their parents to be point of being overly good. There's no good reason to debate it, nor is it edifying to worry over something like this, right. Hope your having a good weekend



Joe

 

[tinytim]

What is the problem with a black man marrying a white woman?
Both are HUMAN... and God ordained marriage for humans.

 

[Filmproducer]

I believe if you read Cutter's quote carefully, it is speaking of divorced parents, not bi-racial parents. (Yes, I read his first sentence in the quote). He has also stated he is not racist and I believe him (of course). If we don't believe what the poster is telling us, we are not debating on their solid foundational beliefs. So what's the use.

It doesn't speak of any child "pretending" for the sake of mom and dad but it reads the child is only trying to please their parents to be point of being overly good. There's no good reason to debate it, nor is it edifying to worry over something like this, right. Hope your having a good weekend



Joe

Right, and YOU would not see the problem with his posts as YOU are not in a bi-racial marriage with children. I am, and I'm sick of self righteous people trying to justify their preferences as biblical convictions. If he doesn't like it, more power to him. I could care less. Just be man enough to admit it, without giving off the wall, out of context scriptures. When he goes so far as to say bi-racial marriages cause confusion, and concludes that God is not a God of confusion, you can be darn sure I will stand up and say HOGWASH! You don't see me insult anyone's family as unbiblical, and I will not sit quietly by when someone insults mine, especially a fellow Christian.

 

[Joe]

Right, and YOU would not see the problem with his posts as YOU are not in a bi-racial marriage with children.

You don't see me insult anyone's family as unbiblical, and I will not sit quietly by when someone insults mine, especially a fellow Christian.

No, I am not in a bi-racial marriage but we did foster a black child some years ago and dealt with extreme level of racism. That doesn't allow me to speak for ALL folks in that situation just because I lived it for a while. Their experiences may be different. I am sure people who haven't fostered a different race can relate to my experience also.

If a poster finds your marital arrangement not adhering to the bible or unbiblical as you call it, then it sounds like he may be being convicted. Let it go, it isn't so personal as you are trying to make it. Remember, you need to follow what God convicts you of, even if others find it incorrect. Most of the posters are ok with mixed race marriages


Joe

 

[Cutter]

You know what, Cutter? You don't know me either, yet you publically disgraced MY family. You get what you give, and your self righteous whining does not not phase me. Your posts pretty much implied that God was 1. not a God of confusion, 2. that He was a God of order, and 3. Bi-racial marriages are unbiblical because of this very reason. So boo-hoo you were called a bigot. I'm crying for you right now. :tear:

Well aren't you the prime example of what I've been talking about all along. You've proven my point. By your choice to marry someone of another race you have developed an extreme chip on your shoulder and sad to say, but from your posts you are filled with hate, too. Not only that, but you are breeding this in your children by stating, "Those seem to be the only times I am not upset with him (your son) for being short with an elder or laughing at them."
Looks like you have alot of work that needs to be done in order to overcome the issues that come with marrying someone of another race.
God help you with that and try to do better with your children.
God bless!

 

[tinytim]

Well aren't you the prime example of what I've been talking about all along. You've proven my point. By your choice to marry someone of another race you have developed an extreme chip on your shoulder and sad to say, but from your posts you are filled with hate, too. Not only that, but you are breeding this in your children by stating, "Those seem to be the only times I am not upset with him (your son) for being short with an elder or laughing at them."
Looks like you have alot of work that needs to be done in order to overcome the issues that come with marrying someone of another race.
God help you with that and try to do better with your children.
God bless!

Well if there weren't racists, then she wouldn't have a problem...

Racism is a sin. Period.
And condemning biracial marriages based on the color of skin is racism...

So anyone that is not if favor of biracial marriages is a racist. Duh.

:BangHead:

 

[SaggyWoman]

My problem with marrying someone of a different race is that everyone is of a different race.

We are all freaks.

 

[SaggyWoman]

Some of us just don't know how to deal with freaks.

 

[Mr.M]

Well if there weren't racists, then she wouldn't have a problem...

Racism is a sin. Period.
And condemning biracial marriages based on the color of skin is racism...

So anyone that is not if favor of biracial marriages is a racist. Duh.

:BangHead:

Ah yes, the noose of circular reasoning that hangs its architect every time. Nice of you to give God a helping hand and add to his word by declaring racism is a sin. No doubt God wasn't bright enough to declare "Racism is a sin" and you came along to add to His divine Word, nice touch. Sheesh.:tonofbricks:

 

[tinytim]

Ah yes, the noose of circular reasoning that hangs its architect every time. Nice of you to give God a helping hand and add to his word by declaring racism is a sin. No doubt God wasn't bright enough to declare "Racism is a sin" and you came along to add to His divine Word, nice touch. Sheesh.:tonofbricks:

So are you saying that racism is not a sin?

Surely you don't believe this...

It is a sin... it is the sin of pride.
It is worshipping the created (pride in the way God made you) instead of the creator...

It is preferring one person over another based on prejudice...
Jesus himself said to judge with righteous judgement.. which means knowing all the facts before passing judgment....and not to judge based on appearance....
John 7:24 KJV
(24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
And when you pre-judge someone based on pigment of skin, it is not righteous judgement... It is going against what Jesus commanded here..

And that, my friend is sin!
Jesus commanded here not to be Pre-judice...(Don't pre-judge on appearance... and when you do, you are disobeying Christ... Are you bold enough to say that that is not a sin?

Are you really saying that racism is not sin?
I wasn't aware that Christians actually believe this.
I thought "Christian" meant Christ like... Which means you can't be a racist and a Christian at the same time...

 

[Mr.M]

So are you saying that racism is not a sin?

Surely you don't believe this...

It is a sin... it is the sin of pride.
It is worshipping the created (pride in the way God made you) instead of the creator...

It is preferring one person over another based on prejudice...
Jesus himself said to judge with righteous judgement.. which means knowing all the facts before passing judgment....and not to judge based on appearance....
John 7:24 KJV
(24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
And when you pre-judge someone based on pigment of skin, it is not righteous judgement... It is going against what Jesus commanded here..

And that, my friend is sin!
Jesus commanded here not to be Pre-judice...(Don't pre-judge on appearance... and when you do, you are disobeying Christ... Are you bold enough to say that that is not a sin?

Are you really saying that racism is not sin?
I wasn't aware that Christians actually believe this.
I thought "Christian" meant Christ like... Which means you can't be a racist and a Christian at the same time...

You really drank the koolaid today. Even if I convinced myself it was worth the effort to address all of the erroneous concepts to which you hold in the end you would NOT benefit from my efforts.

The fact that you cannot distinguish between sinful pride and being proud in quite a legitimate fashion says enough. However, the fact that a person being proud of their heritage being equated in your mind as worshiping their heritage is even more ridiculous and demonstrates just what I have said, you obviously lack capacity for critical analysis and thoughtful consideration here.

Your theological scribbles might look like reasonable shapes of Biblical thought to you, but they aren't. I leave you to your rope.

 

[tinytim]

You really drank the koolaid today. Even if I convinced myself it was worth the effort to address all of the erroneous concepts to which you hold in the end you would NOT benefit from my efforts.

The fact that you cannot distinguish between sinful pride and being proud in quite a legitimate fashion says enough. However, the fact that a person being proud of their heritage being equated in your mind as worshiping their heritage is even more ridiculous and demonstrates just what I have said, you obviously lack capacity for critical analysis and thoughtful consideration here.

Your theological scribbles might look like reasonable shapes of Biblical thought to you, but they aren't. I leave you to your rope.

Sorry Sir, but legitimate pride would never say, "my race is better than yours because of my heritage." That sir, is sinful pride.
Being proud of your heritage is good, as long as you don't use that pride to belittle others.

If Jesus said to not judge on appearance, and you judge on appearance it is a sin.... Not too much critical analysis needed here...
When God says to not do something, and you do it... You are wrong.

If you want to justify racism, you will have to look elsewhere... those of us here on BB will not allow racism to run rampant without taking a stand against it.

By the way, i drank chocolate milk today... not koolaid!!! I like my milk with a little color!

 

[Mr.M]

Sorry Sir, but legitimate pride would never say, "my race is better than yours because of my heritage." That sir, is sinful pride.
Being proud of your heritage is good, as long as you don't use that pride to belittle others.

If Jesus said to not judge on appearance, and you judge on appearance it is a sin.... Not too much critical analysis needed here...
When God says to not do something, and you do it... You are wrong.

If you want to justify racism, you will have to look elsewhere... those of us here on BB will not allow racism to run rampant without taking a stand against it.

By the way, i drank chocolate milk today... not koolaid!!! I like my milk with a little color!

"Those of us"? Sounds like the Sanhedrin are out to find the UNRIGHTEOUS who don't measure up to their extra-biblical standards. Par for the course.

By the way...there are those of US here that don't let hatred of God's Word run rampant with people who want to ADD to God's Word. Tsk tsk.

Next thing, you'll be declaring be fat is a sin and in typical novice fashion you'll ignorantly connect it to the passage about our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit.

 

[tinytim]

"Those of us"? Sounds like the Sanhedrin are out to find the UNRIGHTEOUS who don't measure up to their extra-biblical standards. Par for the course.

By the way...there are those of US here that don't let hatred of God's Word run rampant with people who want to ADD to God's Word. Tsk tsk.

Next thing you'll be declaring be fat is a sin.

How is this adding to God's word...
John 7:24 KJV
(24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[tinytim]

If you want to be a racist pig, go ahead... But as a minister, I am commanded to call sin, SIN... and Racism is a sin!!!

How can you love God who you haven't seen if you don't love your brother whom you have seen?

BTW... Gluttony is a sin... being fat isn't...

 

[Mr.M]

How is this adding to God's word...
John 7:24 KJV
(24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

You really are this clueless aren't you? You really are eh? Astounding you have found your way onto the internet. You can't even go back a few posts ago to discover your own ADDING to God's Word and declaring something to be absolutely a sin where NO SUCH declaration exists in Scripture. You really are that clueless, unbelievable. Never mind the above passage has been taken out of context, obviously context means nothing to you, never mind the bizzare mess the rest of your comments are. Forget it. Next please!

P.S. For anyone else I have not stated my personal position on the matter, only the position that the Bible clearly does not explicitly declare racism to be a sin. Please be clear about my comments.

 

[EdSutton]

Right now it appears the highest rate of suicide is in the middle east.
Yawn....next please.

Now there is a "shot" if I ever saw one!

But I almost agree with the second statement, I quoted. And I will almost repeat it.

"Yawn....next 'shot', please.

Ed