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Birth Before Belief

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tyndale1946 said:
I hear some say on this board I came to Christ... Well I came to Christ too but what brought me?... Did I decide one day I believe I will come to Christ?... I can tell you without reservation that was not my case... I was brought up in church since the age of seven but I didn't join the church until the age of twenty-two... In all that time I heard sermon after sermon after sermon on the Sovereign Grace of All Mighty God but never joined, why?... I had a near death experience in the fields of Vietnam and soon after returned home and joined the church... The reason I had not joined before is the Lord had not prepared me... He had not changed my heart to receive the thing pertaining to his kingdom on earth the church... He had not change my cold and stony heart and given me a heart of flesh... Some say just believe and be born again... If you are not born again how can you believe?... One does not believe to be born again, one believes because THEY ARE ALREADY BORN AGAIN!... Can anyone one here claim that they believed in their natural father before they saw his face?... You had to be born first... Is the Gospel any different?... Birth comes first!... Ye must be born again!... Brother Glen:)
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When was Lazarus raised from the dead? Since the dead can’t hear Lazarus must have been raised from the dead by the power of GOD before the LORD called unto him. Or could it be the dead heard his voice by the power of GOD and was then quickened? I believe the later and think that to be consistent the Calvinist would believe the first. Am I right or is there another option I overlooked.

John 11:14 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

John 11:43 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

John 5:25 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 3:14 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Were those in the wilderness saved when they looked?
 
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Revmitchell said:
Except scripture never describes it that way.
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Depending on how you interpret it. Some see the gospel as a system of works for the self-righteous through which they save themselves. Others hear it as the good news that they have eternal life or else they would not believe.
 
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1689Dave said:
Just as we believed Christ died for our sins before we repented and received baptism.
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Does repentance precede Faith? I will answer with my belief first. I see Saving Faith as being a gift of God made up of knowledge from God, belief in God, trust in God, and assurance from God. Knowledge through hearing the quickening Word of God, our believing being made possible because of the quickening, trusting because of the assurance of and from God. Now I see repentance and faith as being joined together because we know whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
 
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1689Dave said:
Depending on how you interpret it. Some see the gospel as a system of works for the self-righteous through which they save themselves.
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Interesting who are these people?


Others hear it as the good news that they have eternal life or else they would not believe.
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Which is everyone on this board and all Christians I know.
 
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tyndale1946 said:
Disagree!... Birth comes first... Then there are these verses from the Corinthian letter... Change must come first before the sinner can believe... You say belief comes before birth then what are you going to do with these verses... Brother Glen:)

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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I think the real question is which comes first, God regeneration of us, or saving us?
 
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Revmitchell said:
So you do not have any scripture to back up your claim just philosophy. Is that right?
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“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” (Romans 4:4–5)

But, you contradict this when you make faith a condition or work.
 
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1689Dave said:
“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” (Romans 4:4–5)

But, you contradict this when you make faith a condition or work.
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Again you misuse the scripture to support your claim. Paul is speaking of the law Romans 3:27-28
 
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