If you hold that God mus first regenerate you before you can believe the gospel then scripture is not sufficient to save, to you. Why do you hold that scripture is insufficient to save?
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If you hold that God mus first regenerate you before you can believe the gospel then scripture is not sufficient to save, to you. Why do you hold that scripture is insufficient to save?
The faith is a gift from the holy spirit unto us in order to now be saved!
No, faith is acquired when we heart he gospel. Romans 10:17
It is, as it accomplished its intended work among those who are the elect of God!
No, you cannot have it both ways. Romans 1:16 says that the power to be saved comes from the gospel. Not some extra measure of grace unseen. Romans 10:17 says that faith also comes from God's word not some extra measure of supernatural grace or regeneration pre-salvation.
You are engaging in doublespeak--"have faith in my faith". Bunch of twaddle. Of course, I don't trust in my righteous to save me.
The Gospel, apart from the work on the sinner the Holy spirit does, can save none!
Yes I see you find scripture insufficient, Well scripture says the gospel saves all who choose to believe. John 1:12
Wow, you are all over the map here. The Gospel is of God yes, but it is not what is being discussed in 1 Cor. 2. What is being discussed is the wisdom of God among mature Christians, "even the deep things of God"(v. 10).
The Gospel is the basic good news of God. The disciples were told to preach it to all nations. It's not the deep wisdom of God meant for mature Christians.
You say it's not the same thing. I say it is the same thing. Neither of us has proven anything. We've both made an assertion.
And who be the ones to choose? the elect of God!
The elect have already made their choice else they would not be elect. One becomes elect after salvation.
Actually, we have been elected unto salvation!
No we become elect when we are "in Christ". Once we are in Christ we are elected to righteousness.
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2 Timothy 2:8-10 KJVS
[8] Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: [9] Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. [10] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Who are the elect here? I feel the elect are the church, those that have been called by the gospel,born again by the blood of the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. So, God chose the elect to be those that would believe with their heart in his Son. We know it's not his will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[8] Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: [9] Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. [10] Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Who are the elect here? I feel the elect are the church, those that have been called by the gospel,born again by the blood of the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world. So, God chose the elect to be those that would believe with their heart in his Son. We know it's not his will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
If the intent of God was to have all sinners saved by the Cross of Christ, they would have all been saved...
Romans 8 disagrees with you here!
You are going to have to be more specific than that.
Those whom God both predestined and foreknown means far more than just God knowing who would decide to accept jesus, its that He caused them to accept jesus!
Actually the verse, Romans 8:29, says that God predestined people to be "conformed to the image of Christ". That is sanctification, not salvation.
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