Black man killed by police in Minneapolis

[InTheLight]

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It looks like (based on the way the officer looks and the comments by the bystanders) he had been resisting arrest. But it does not seem that he continued doing so.

The suspect needed to be pulled out of the driver's seat of the car he was driving and stood up to be handcuffed. Otherwise, I didn't see any resistance whatsoever. The suspect was cuffed and he walked peacefully to the sidewalk and sat down.

Video of getting out of the car, here:
Alex Lehnert on Twitter

 

[InTheLight]

No, it's not. From the video I saw, it cannot be determined at what time the hand restraints were placed on him.

He might have been a little reluctant getting out of the car, but I see no resisting arrest.

Alex Lehnert on Twitter

 

[carpro]

You can watch the video of his "resisting arrest", here.

Video shows initial arrest of George Floyd, who later died in Minneapolis police custody

Nothing to see there. It clearly doesn't cover what made them put him on the ground, but it does show that he is already in hand restraints.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I watched four videos where he was not resisting arrest. And I saw where he was begging for help and where bystanders were begging the policeman to get off of his neck while another policeman arrogantly argued with them and said, "He's talking....he's fine".

And I saw when the policeman finally got off of his neck and the medics rolled his body onto a stretcher on the ground - he was limp and lifeless and was pronounced dead minutes later at the hospital.

What I don't understand is what ANY OF THIS has to do the great and noble Donald Trump. Yeshua1 - can you explain that to me? You are the one who brought Trump's name up and said he will suffer for this.

This all makes me sick and the standard conservative response makes me shake my head. I know, I'll get reamed and called on the on the carpet for saying that.

Four policemen were fired - not put on desk jobs, not given time off without pay - FIRED.

I love policemen and will always defend and support them. It's a thankless and dangerous job. They literally save lives every single day. And I so appreciate them. I know many of them. I am related to two of them. They should be revered and appreciated.

But the videos I saw showed one policeman take the life of a man not resisting arrest and another policemen claiming to those trying to help that the man was not being harmed. And then the man died.

I will NEVER support actions like that. Just like in my love for pastors and teachers and coaches, I will NEVER support abuse when a certain few of them commit those atrocities.

This man was killed for NOTHING - in plain sight. The policeman on top of his neck said something about him "not getting in the car right." He had to die for that?

Here's are the four videos I watched. Please watch ALL of the four videos before you make a decision that these policeman are guiltless and that we need to protect the President from outcries against this.

The first link has two videos.

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Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man who later died

 

[JonC]

The suspect needed to be pulled out of the driver's seat of the car he was driving and stood up to be handcuffed. Otherwise, I didn't see any resistance whatsoever. The suspect was cuffed and he walked peacefully to the sidewalk and sat down.

Video of getting out of the car, here:
Alex Lehnert on Twitter

The reason I say it appears there may have been some issue is that the officer's uniform is a bit messed up and the by standers are saying that he is not resisting any more.

But ultimately none of that matters. When the suspect was down he was not resisting. It does not seem that the officer was putting a lot of pressure on the guys neck but he was obviously in distress asking for help and saying he could not breathe. From the point the suspect was on the ground until he was non-responsive appears to be excessive force and probably a crime.

The guy could have somehow beaten one of the officers almost to death while handcuffed and it would not have mattered. The suspect was down.

 

[InTheLight]

Nothing to see there. It clearly doesn't cover what made them put him on the ground, but it does show that he is already in hand restraints.

In the last 15-20 seconds of the video, you can see the police escort the suspect across the street, open up the door of the police car and then it looks like the suspect sat down on the sidewalk/street. Difficult to tell because the video ends abruptly. The point is, they could have gotten the suspect into the back seat of the police car, but they didn't.

 

[HankD]

The cop kneeling on the suspect can be seen here. (graphic language)

George Floyd Video

this really looks bad for the police.

 

[carpro]

In the last 15-20 seconds of the video, you can see the police escort the suspect across the street, open up the door of the police car and then it looks like the suspect sat down on the sidewalk/street. Difficult to tell because the video ends abruptly. The point is, they could have gotten the suspect into the back seat of the police car, but they didn't.

So , from what I have seen, he clearly resisted arrest twice, initially when they had to remove him from the car by force, and again when they were placing him in the vehicle. Rule #1 when in police custody...DO NOT RESIST ARREST!

That being said, he was already in hand restraints when he resisted the second time. They placed him on the ground, as they should, to get him under control.

I believe that he was under control enough so that the officer with his knee on his neck should have removed his knee long before he did. Indeed, his knee should never have been on his neck, and I doubt he was trained that way. If so, it's clearly a use of excessive force, but that's a far cry from murder. We still don't know what killed him.The knee on the neck may have had nothing to do with it.

The skin color of the officer and the offender are of no consequence when determining if a crime has been committed here.

 

[InTheLight]

this really looks bad for the police.

Doesn't look that good for George Floyd, either.

 

[HankD]

Doesn't look that good for George Floyd, either.

not really, they cant hurt him anymore and hey he may be a saved man with the LORD.

That doesn't excuse the police.

VIOLENCE IS PROBABLY COMING BECAUSE OF THIS.

 

[InTheLight]

That doesn't excuse the police.

VIOLENCE IS PROBABLY COMING BECAUSE OF THIS.

There was a march through the streets last night. It ended at the local police precinct. The glass door of the precinct was shattered and then police opened fire with rubber bullets and tear gas, dispersing the crowd. It started raining fairly hard which also got the crowd to leave.

I think that is probably it for the violence, unless some national PR hounds decide to descend on Minneapolis and get into the act.

 

[carpro]

Four policemen were fired - not put on desk jobs, not given time off without pay - FIRED.

To placate the masses. There's a better than 50/50 chance 2 or 3 of them will get their jobs back if they push the issue.

 

[HankD]

There was a march through the streets last night. It ended at the local police precinct. The glass door of the precinct was shattered and then police opened fire with rubber bullets and tear gas, dispersing the crowd. It started raining fairly hard which also got the crowd to leave.

I think that is probably it for the violence, unless some national PR hounds decide to descend on Minneapolis and get into the act.

hopefully.

 

[InTheLight]

To placate the masses. There's a better than 50/50 chance 2 or 3 of them will get their jobs back if they push the issue.

The guy who kneeled on the suspect is going to be arrested.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

this really looks bad for the police.

I agree.

I wonder how many blacks engaging in criminal activity would not have died at the hands of police if they would have complied with the commands of the police? Are they hard of hearing or just defiant?

There seems to be a pattern, not only when being confronted by police but in school and other arenas, with blacks not conforming to social norms.

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Do businesses want this type of publicity and paying out millions of dollars to settle? I think not.

There must be behavior that is determined to be disruptive and offensive to other customers.

If other racial groups have similar experiences resulting in being forcefully removed, I am not aware of them.

 

[HankD]

The guy who kneeled on the suspect is going to be arrested.

FOR SURE!?

 

[InTheLight]

FOR SURE!?

Mayor Jacob Frey on Wednesday called for an arrest and charges against the now-fired Minneapolis police officer who knelt on the neck of George Floyd as he pleaded to breathe shortly before his death, in an incident caught on video that drew international outrage.

"There are precedents and protocols sitting in the reserves of institutions just like this one that would give you about a thousand reasons not to do something, not to speak out, not to act so quickly, and I've wrestled with that more than anything else over the last 36 hours, with one fundamental question: Why is the man who killed George Floyd not in jail?" Frey said in a news conference. "If you had done it or I had done it we would be behind bars right now and I cannot come up with an answer to that question."

The city identified the officers involved as Derek Chauvin, whose knee was on Floyd's neck, Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J Alexander Kueng. All were fired Tuesday.

Frey said he is calling upon Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman to seek charges involved with the Monday incident. A message was left with Freeman's office seeking comment.

Frey: Arrest, charge officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck before death

 

[Adonia]

Not sure. The suspect got pulled over. Police approached the car and emptied it of passengers. The suspect got out, offering no resistance, was cuffed and placed on the sidewalk with back against a building while the police officer gathered information from him. Then he was escorted across the street to the police car.

Watch the video.

Looks like a cut and dried case of police brutality and the cop in question does not have much wiggle room to state another case other than what we have seen in the video. Now having said that, let's wait for all the the facts to come out, shall we? We need to see the video from the time the deceased was sitting on the sidewalk to the time we see the video taken by a bystander. All the cops responding had body cams that were reportedly turned on.

 

[carpro]

The guy who kneeled on the suspect is going to be arrested.

Maybe. Depends on the cause of death. If he is arrested before that is known and an investigation is conducted, it would be a big mistake.

It can wait.

 

[Reynolds]

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