Bottom Line on Judging Zimmerman's Actions...

[Sapper Woody]

Marijuana, yes. But Martin's blood tested positive for cocaine,

See, this is one of the facts that I had not heard. All the talk I've heard has said marijuana. So, if it indeed was cocaine, then yes, he would have been way more aggressive. But what I said about being detectable still stands. If it was detected, then either he had used it recently, or was a habitual user.

 

[Zaac]

Admittedly, I've stayed out of this discussion because I don't know a lot of the facts. But there are a couple things I have to point out in this discussion.



THC only stays in your system a few days. It's been shown in urinalyses that a person can smoke marijuana over the weekend, and then it not show positive in a urinalysis on Monday. I've seen it myself.

Now, the more often a person smokes, the longer it takes to get rid of THC in the blood. It's been reported that a regular user can have appositive test up to 45 days from usage, while a few extreme cases have even been detected up to 90 days.

Basically, I said all that to say this: if THC was in his system, then either he recently used it or was a habitual user.

However, marijuana does not make you aggressive. It relaxes you and is a downer. Makes you hungry and paranoid. My guess, based off experience (no I've never smoked it, but have seen people who have) is that if he were under the influence of marijuana at the time, he'd have been less inclined to confront anyone, and would most likely not even have noticed he was being followed.

As someone who deals with chemistry, I can tell you with confidence that THC will stay in your system detectable for 30 days no matter what the frequency of use. Some test are not as good as others. But if you've used it within 30 days, it's detectable.

It is for that same reason that you can find it by examining the hair. There are always

Now, looking at this conversation, Zaac, you are the only one using the word 'black'. You keep saying that people are trying to paint him as some stereotypical black thug. No one else has used anything even remotely close to saying that. The issue with race seems to be on your side.

You're looking at THIS conversation. I'm looking at a series of conversations where the young man was referred to repeatedly as a thug. It's a seemingly inherent prejudice whether or not you or anyone else on this board wants to acknowledge it. I said Black because he was Black.

Personally, I haven't been watching the case that closely. But from what I've heard and seen, I am currently of the opinion that Zimmerman should be acquitted. It appears as if he did nothing wrong. It looks like he wasn't very prudent, but he did nothing wrong.

Our opinions are generally for us and do not carry much weight when dealing with the facts presented.

 

[Zaac]

Marijuana, yes. But Martin's blood tested positive for cocaine, which can remains detectable in moderate doses for only 24-36 hours, and in heavier doses for 72 hours.

What report are you seeing that says cocaine?

On the contrary, because it was cocaine, it likely he was somewhere between being high, and craving another hit, which would account for his aggressiveness in attacking Zimmerman.

Where? Correct me if I'm wrong. But every copy of a report that I've seen says THC. There's no mention of cocaine or its derivatives.

Sorry, Zack, but the tox screen indicates (as noted) he was likely acting in an overly aggressive manner because of his drug usage, something that the police initially looked at but which the prosecution rejected as "relevant" solely based on the public outrage over an incident that is really nothing more than a stone-cold thug earning the consequences for his actions.

What tox screen? The toxicology report submitted from the labs as requested by the autopsy only show THC.

Mischaracterization. Self-defense, not murder.

No mischaracterization. He went looking for Trayvon and subsequently murdered him.

 

[Sapper Woody]

As someone who deals with chemistry, I can tell you with confidence that THC will stay in your system detectable for 30 days no matter what the frequency of use. Some test are not as good as others. But if you've used it within 30 days, it's detectable.

It is for that same reason that you can find it by examining the hair. There are always

As someone who used to drug test people monthly, I've seen people admit to smoking Marijuana on a Thursday, get tested on Monday, and not get caught. But, this discussion is moot if what someone else said about it being cocaine instead of marijuana anyway.

You're looking at THIS conversation.

And you're accusing people in THIS conversation of painting him as the stereotypical black thug. You have specifically pointed a finger at people on this board.

I'm looking at a series of conversations where the young man was referred to repeatedly as a thug. It's a seemingly inherent prejudice whether or not you or anyone else on this board wants to acknowledge it. I said Black because he was Black.

No. You are using reverse racism, whether you want to admit it or not. If he was a white person, you'd have no problem calling him a thug because of his confrontation and drug usage. But since people are calling him a thug and he is black, you are defending him.

Our opinions are generally for us and do not carry much weight when dealing with the facts presented.

That has no place here. Everything you've stated so far is your opinion based upon what you know. The fact that I have accepted that of myself does not mean my opinion is any less valid than yours.

 

[Zaac]

See, this is one of the facts that I had not heard. All the talk I've heard has said marijuana. So, if it indeed was cocaine, then yes, he would have been way more aggressive. But what I said about being detectable still stands. If it was detected, then either he had used it recently, or was a habitual user.

That's because it's not a fact. This again is just perpetuating the scary, black man on drugs myth thats often thrown around by non-Blacks.

There is no toxicology report showing any cocaine that I have seen. And if TND has seen one, I wish he would point me to it.

 

[Zaac]

As someone who used to drug test people monthly, I've seen people admit to smoking Marijuana on a Thursday, get tested on Monday, and not get caught. But, this discussion is moot if what someone else said about it being cocaine instead of marijuana anyway.

And as I said, it depends on the test used.

And you're accusing people in THIS conversation of painting him as the stereotypical black thug.

Yep, sure am and it's the truth as you STILL see the term "thug" being bandied around.

You have specifically pointed a finger at people on this board.

I've continued to point the finger at folks on this board over their obvious prejudice. And as I've said, it doesn't have to be acknowledged. But it's still there.

No. You are using reverse racism, whether you want to admit it or not.

I'm talking about PREJUDICE. I haven't said anything about racism. That seems to be the your line of thought.

If he was a white person, you'd have no problem calling him a thug because of his confrontation and drug usage. But since people are calling him a thug and he is black, you are defending him.

Thanks for telling me what I'd probably do. Now let me answer for myself. I'm in the habit of referring to individuals by their names. I deal with drug dealers, drug users, homosexuals, molestors who are black, white, brown, yellow every day, and they are ALL called by their name and not by some modern day prejorative that people have taken to tossing around because they don't want to call the young man a "Ni#ger".

I'm not defending him anymore than the mass brain meld of this board always takes one position and goes off on anyone who doesn't line up with that position.

That has no place here. Everything you've stated so far is your opinion based upon what you know. The fact that I have accepted that of myself does not mean my opinion is any less valid than yours.

I didn't say your opinion was less valid.

 

[Revmitchell]

The only actual reports I have seen is that there was pot in his system. I have seen nothing about any other drug. Of course pot is quite enough. Anyone who uses pot has displayed they are not afraid to break the law and have a complete disregard for the law when it suits their purposes.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Bottom line is that we will never know all that went on that night. Trials aren't meant to get to the truth, they are meant to get to a verdict one way or another. One man lost his life. Another man is marked for life to be villified or praised, depending on the person's political leaning.

Sad no matter what.

 

[poncho]

Besides the obvious media salivation and race baiting that's been going on 24/7 what makes this trial any more or less important than any other? People are on trial for killing another everyday so what makes this one so special to warrant all the attention?

 

[Zaac]

Besides the obvious media salivation and race baiting that's been going on 24/7 what makes this trial any more or less important than any other? People are on trial for killing another everyday so what makes this one so special to warrant all the attention?

Said the same thing about Casey Anthony, and OJ, and Scott Peterson, the Menendez brothers and others.

Who knows why some cases become so popular and others don't?

 

[Revmitchell]

Oh we know why. Trayvon was black and the President wanted to make hay out of it after the Black Panthers accused him of stifling the civil rights movement.

 

[poncho]

Yeah that and a good old fashion race war will serve up a nice distraction from all of Obama's scandals and our being looted by his corporate cronies on Wall Street.

Not only that but an acquittal and subsequent race riots would give Obama the perfect opportunity to put the militarized police state on full display to chill any opposition against his unconstitutional, immoral policies and the Stasi police state that he's been working so hard to create. Everything would come up roses for Obama and the police state.

 

[church mouse guy]

Why? George Zimmerman didn't know if he had used drugs or had a history of using drugs when he shot him. That's just more criminalizing of folks based on stereotypes....Based on the toxicology reports, his drug use played as much a part that night as did Zimmerman's former woman beating charges....Why? In talking with some of my Black friends, they said that they are amazed how non-Blacks, specifically white people think it's their place to question folks in their neighborhood...??? There was no marijuana or any proof that he had used marijuana that night. The toxcology reports point to just the opposite....Like staying in his car and letting the police do police work?

Zaac, it wasn't Trayvon's neighborhood. I think it was a gated community and neither he nor his father nor any other member of his family had property there. It would have been private property and they had a neighborhood watch because of high crime.

The fact that drugs stay in your system so long shows that they affect you. Alcohol clears your system in five days so you can be detoxed from Alcohol in five days. During that time you are considered as not thinking clearly. We should not condone drug usage. It is against Tryvon legally that he had it in his system and many employers would not have hired him.

We know that George Zimmerman did not have drugs in his system. We know that he had two black eyes, a fractured nose, a sore back and two lacerations on the back of his head from having his head slammed onto the concrete sidewalk, which proved to be harder than his head.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

What report are you seeing that says cocaine?

I apologize. I remembered reports from acquaintences of Martin that he used cocaine, but you're right, it was THC in his tox screen ... which, by the way, it what the medical examiner's office calls all postmortem drug tests.

No mischaracterization. He went looking for Trayvon and subsequently murdered him.

That's your personal opinion, and it isn't even based on facts in evidence, but an error-filled leap to a conclusion.

 

[Arbo]

Thanks for another meaningless rhetorical contribution of Ad Hominem in this thread.

Crash dummy #3. Check.

You and Zaac have numbers 1 and 2 claimed, eh?:laugh:

 

[Don]

Bottom line on judging Zimmerman's actions:

None of us were there. None of us were present at the trial. None of us have access to all the evidence and testimony presented.

So the bottom line is, six women are going to determine whether he's guilty or not, and we're going to have to abide by their decision. Doesn't matter what any of us think or feel.

 

[Salty]

So the bottom line is, six women are going to determine whether he's guilty or not, and we're going to have to abide by their decision. Doesn't matter what any of us think or feel.

If found guilty, you know there will be an appeal

 

[Don]

Not guilty.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Only reasonable conclusion they could come to, given the evidence. Do wish, however, that they had held the verdict until in the morning. Hopefully it will be a peaceful night.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The four of you who claimed "we know enough to assign some responsibility to Zimmerman"? How do you feel tonight, knowing the jury of six women, four minorities, don't agree with you?