BWA just fine without SBC

Jimmy C, the reason the SBC pulled out is not so they could bankrupt the BWA. Make sure that what you say is true before you say it, or several may take exception to what you say...if that's important.

 

This thread makes a wonderful case for there to be no organization larger than a local congregation.

 

Both approaches are equally Biblical. That is why the SBC did spend some time discussing the issues with the BWA to no avail, and then seperated. We did the right thing and are better off for it.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Do you have any documentation describing these discussions?

 

It's available...check out the archives at bpnews.com. There's plenty of info available.

 

You probably didn't mean to direct me to Butane-Propane News, did you.

www.bpnews.org is SBC Baptist Press News.

I was able to find these articles showing a progression of the relationship of the two organizations from 2000-2004 from the SBC perspective.

Jul 11, 2000 BP News : Kim urges Baptist unity; Chapman affirms BWA role

Jul 12, 2002 BPNews : Chapman: BWA membership committee casts cloud over ties with SBC

Feb 4, 2004 BPNews : FIRST-PERSON: The BWA: reasons for parting ways

Feb 18, 2004 BPNews : BWA withdrawal recommendation approved for SBC vote

Apr 13, 2004 BPNews : SBC position on BWA unchanged; both sides agree to ongoing talks

Jun 15, 2004 BPNews : SBC severs ties with BWA as theological concerns remain

 

Thanks.

Here are articles I found from the ABP perspective. Their searchable archive does not go as far back as BPNews.

June 15, 2004 ABPNews : SBC votes to cut ties to Baptist World Alliance

June 25, 2004 ABPNews : CBF embraces Baptist World Alliance; Lotz urges Baptists to 'break down walls'

July 29, 2004 ABPNews : BWA leader reflects on SBC withdrawal, pledges to turn attention to the future

 

Praise God that I'm an Independent Baptist and a Fundamentalist. Where Christ is the Head of the local church and not some convention/board/heirarchy. That's the Bible method that God has installed.

 

That helps the discussion in what way?

 

Rick Warren received no help from the SBC when he started Saddleback.

 

In a way to get your minds off stupid politics and onto Christ. Just like the typical liberal churches where the committees and deacons run everything. Stick with the Bible and do it God's way (referring to the local New Testament Church). And yes,PastorSBC that does help, I feel bad for you if you don't see it that way.

 

So, in your estimation, being in an IFB church frees us completely from church politics and internal conflict?

 

ah, a little light-hearted humor...well done!

this discussion is getting to serious!

 

Ahhh ok gotcha Do not feel bad for me, I am a child of the King.

 

So, in your estimation, being in an IFB church frees us completely from church politics and internal conflict?

No it is not of my estimation. Did I say that? No i didn't, so why try to make me look like I'm saying statements that I certainly have not made. It does not free us from church politics and internal conflict but it is scriptural to be an indepenet autonomous Bible Beleiving, New Testament Church. Don't twist statements that someone makes and take them out of context to make him look bad.

 

Can you show me the Scripture that says we are to be independent and autonomous please?

 

My "statement" was actually a question. Anyway, thanks for answering the question.

Your argument against the SBC is unfounded and a common misunderstanding among IFB brethren. SBC churches are independent and autonomous congregations. The ones I've been associated with are Bible-Believing, New Testament churches that believe that local congregations should be independent and not subject to any outside ecclesiastical authority.