BWA just fine without SBC

[USN2Pulpit]

Originally posted by Jimmy C:
The SBC tried to bankrupt the BWA by pulling out. They decided that if they pulled out, as the biggest donor, the BWA would fall apart.

Jimmy C, the reason the SBC pulled out is not so they could bankrupt the BWA. Make sure that what you say is true before you say it, or several may take exception to what you say...if that's important.

 

[rsr]

The real reason was to punish the BWA for accepting the CBF as a member. That much should be clear from the record.

 

[KenH]

This thread makes a wonderful case for there to be no organization larger than a local congregation.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
Separating from those we disagree with is always easier than actually talking, listening and working out our differences as brothers and sisters in Christ.

The question is, which is the more biblical approach?

Both approaches are equally Biblical. That is why the SBC did spend some time discussing the issues with the BWA to no avail, and then seperated. We did the right thing and are better off for it.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
That is why the SBC did spend some time discussing the issues with the BWA to no avail, and then seperated.

Do you have any documentation describing these discussions?

 

[USN2Pulpit]

It's available...check out the archives at bpnews.com. There's plenty of info available.

 

[rsr]

Better yet, check out the archives at http://www.abpnews.com; much more reliable.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by USN2Pulpit:
It's available...check out the archives at bpnews.com. There's plenty of info available.

You probably didn't mean to direct me to Butane-Propane News, did you.

www.bpnews.org is SBC Baptist Press News.

I was able to find these articles showing a progression of the relationship of the two organizations from 2000-2004 from the SBC perspective.

Jul 11, 2000 BP News : Kim urges Baptist unity; Chapman affirms BWA role

Jul 12, 2002 BPNews : Chapman: BWA membership committee casts cloud over ties with SBC

Feb 4, 2004 BPNews : FIRST-PERSON: The BWA: reasons for parting ways

Feb 18, 2004 BPNews : BWA withdrawal recommendation approved for SBC vote

Apr 13, 2004 BPNews : SBC position on BWA unchanged; both sides agree to ongoing talks

Jun 15, 2004 BPNews : SBC severs ties with BWA as theological concerns remain

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by rsr:
Better yet, check out the archives at http://www.abpnews.com; much more reliable.

Thanks.

Here are articles I found from the ABP perspective. Their searchable archive does not go as far back as BPNews.

June 15, 2004 ABPNews : SBC votes to cut ties to Baptist World Alliance

June 25, 2004 ABPNews : CBF embraces Baptist World Alliance; Lotz urges Baptists to 'break down walls'

July 29, 2004 ABPNews : BWA leader reflects on SBC withdrawal, pledges to turn attention to the future

 

[Jimmy C]

Here are a couple more

American Baptist leader labels Patterson's charges 'outrageous'
http://www.abpnews.com/news/news_detail.cfm?NEWS_ID=59


Lotz says BWA 'slandered' by Southern Baptist leader
http://www.abpnews.com/news/news_detail.cfm?NEWS_ID=75

Paige Patterson was quoted as sating the following in that article:"Saying the SBC can "no longer afford to be aligned in any way" with groups he considers gay-friendly, Patterson told messengers: "What you give your name and your money to, you give your tacit approval to"

does that apply to Henry Blackaby and Rick Warren - both starts of the SBC? They spoke at the BWA last week.

 

[Fundamentalist1611]

Praise God that I'm an Independent Baptist and a Fundamentalist. Where Christ is the Head of the local church and not some convention/board/heirarchy. That's the Bible method that God has installed.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Fundamentalist1611:
Praise God that I'm an Independent Baptist and a Fundamentalist. Where Christ is the Head of the local church and not some convention/board/heirarchy. That's the Bible method that God has installed.

That helps the discussion in what way?

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Jimmy C:
does that apply to Henry Blackaby and Rick Warren - both starts of the SBC? They spoke at the BWA last week.

Rick Warren received no help from the SBC when he started Saddleback.

 

[Fundamentalist1611]

In a way to get your minds off stupid politics and onto Christ. Just like the typical liberal churches where the committees and deacons run everything. Stick with the Bible and do it God's way (referring to the local New Testament Church). And yes,PastorSBC that does help, I feel bad for you if you don't see it that way.

 

[Jeffrey H]

Originally posted by Fundamentalist1611:
In a way to get your minds off stupid politics and onto Christ. Just like the typical liberal churches where the committees and deacons run everything. Stick with the Bible and do it God's way (referring to the local New Testament Church)......

So, in your estimation, being in an IFB church frees us completely from church politics and internal conflict?

 

[USN2Pulpit]

ah, a little light-hearted humor...well done!

this discussion is getting to serious!

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Fundamentalist1611:
In a way to get your minds off stupid politics and onto Christ. Just like the typical liberal churches where the committees and deacons run everything. Stick with the Bible and do it God's way (referring to the local New Testament Church). And yes,PastorSBC that does help, I feel bad for you if you don't see it that way.

Ahhh ok gotcha

Do not feel bad for me, I am a child of the King.

 

[Fundamentalist1611]

So, in your estimation, being in an IFB church frees us completely from church politics and internal conflict?

No it is not of my estimation. Did I say that? No i didn't, so why try to make me look like I'm saying statements that I certainly have not made. It does not free us from church politics and internal conflict but it is scriptural to be an indepenet autonomous Bible Beleiving, New Testament Church. Don't twist statements that someone makes and take them out of context to make him look bad.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Originally posted by Fundamentalist1611:
but it is scriptural to be an indepenet autonomous Bible Beleiving, New Testament Church.

Can you show me the Scripture that says we are to be independent and autonomous please?

 

[Jeffrey H]

Originally posted by Fundamentalist1611:

No it is not of my estimation. Did I say that? No i didn't, so why try to make me look like I'm saying statements that I certainly have not made. It does not free us from church politics and internal conflict but it is scriptural to be an indepenet autonomous Bible Beleiving, New Testament Church. Don't twist statements that someone makes and take them out of context to make him look bad.

My "statement" was actually a question. Anyway, thanks for answering the question.

Your argument against the SBC is unfounded and a common misunderstanding among IFB brethren. SBC churches are independent and autonomous congregations. The ones I've been associated with are Bible-Believing, New Testament churches that believe that local congregations should be independent and not subject to any outside ecclesiastical authority.