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Calvin: God is the Author of Sin

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Yeshua1

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JonC said:
It's not just the English, brother. The Institutes were, after all, first published in Latin and later in French. Calvin wrote of God, a timeless Subject. But Calvin wrote from and to a worldview that has long passed.
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Reading and understanding Calvin is much like Peter said Paul was, hard to undersand him fully, especially divorced from his historical contex!
 
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Agent47 said:
Controlling what He permits/allows means he determined all things including your horrible spelling. God in eternity invented your spelling mistakes.
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no, for God did not determine directly all things to happen,H e did some, others He permitted to happen!
 
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Martin Marprelate said:
Why are you doing that? Why aren't you reading the Bible? You yourself have admitted that you don't know it very well. And if you're determined to read the works of men before the word of God, I think you'd do better with Jonathan Edwards than Charles Hodge.
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Maybe try Berkhof! I agree with you, as we all need to read/study an apply the Bible far more than ANY religious book, good as they may be!
Hodhe was the first Theology I read from a Reformed view, was not easy at all!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
God will is that none should murder, but in this period between first and second coming of Jesus, He allows for abortion to happen.
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What is the difference between determine directly and permit?

I can't believe you are this ignorant
 
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Yeshua1 said:
God Decreed that He would determine things directly and als allow things indirectly, but still ordan the final results.
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So what's the difference between decree,determine directly and allow?

If you don't know, stop trolling
 
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Agent47 said:
So what's the difference between decree,determine directly and allow?

If you don't know, stop trolling
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God freely dtermines directly things to happen, and also allows u to mae decisions to have things happen, all within His Will!
Interesting that a non cal tells a Cal to stop trolling on a calvinist discussion!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
God freely dtermines directly things to happen, and also allows u to mae decisions to have things happen, all within His Will!
Intersting that a non cal tells a Cal to stop trolling on a calvinist discussion!
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So regardless of whether he determines or 'allows' or decrees, he gets what he WANTS done?
 
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JonC said:
I was referring to the "five points" of Calvinism, particularly as adopted by Baptists (not "traditional" Calvinists) from the Canons of Dort. They specifically teach men as having the freedom of choice. Those who don't believe chose not to believe. Those who do believe chose to believe. But salvation is of God and not man. You may be pointing to that last part - that Calvinists believes God saves us.
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Yes but do the one's who choose to believe also have the same capability to choose not to believe? Can it go either way with the same person.
 
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Revmitchell said:
Yes but do the one's who choose to believe also have the same capability to choose not to believe? Can it go either way with the same person.
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In terms of possibility, yes. In fact, those who do believe at one time did not.

The issue is whether or not the Holy Spirit works in those who believe to reveal the truth of the gospel. If so, they believe. If not, then it is up to men to figure it out. I believe the former is true. If the Spirit reveals the gospel as true, and if the gospel is really the power to salvation, then men are saved. If men don't believe then it was not revealed by the Spirit to be true.

No one can deny what is revealed to them as truth (otherwise it would be revealed as something less than true).
 
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