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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Agent47, Jan 10, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Reading and understanding Calvin is much like Peter said Paul was, hard to undersand him fully, especially divorced from his historical contex!
     
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    no, for God did not determine directly all things to happen,H e did some, others He permitted to happen!
     
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    Maybe try Berkhof! I agree with you, as we all need to read/study an apply the Bible far more than ANY religious book, good as they may be!
    Hodhe was the first Theology I read from a Reformed view, was not easy at all!
     
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    Is God allowing the same as decreeing?
     
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    What's the difference between 'determine directly' and 'permitted'?
     
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    God Decreed that He would determine things directly and als allow things indirectly, but still ordan the final results.
     
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    God will is that none should murder, but in this period between first and second coming of Jesus, He allows for abortion to happen.
     
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    Garbage has no historical context
     
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    What is the difference between determine directly and permit?

    I can't believe you are this ignorant
     
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    Calvin, like Paul, is gabage to thoseunable to see wht was really meant!
     
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    So what's the difference between decree,determine directly and allow?

    If you don't know, stop trolling
     
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    That's what SDAs believe about Ellen White
     
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    God freely dtermines directly things to happen, and also allows u to mae decisions to have things happen, all within His Will!
    Interesting that a non cal tells a Cal to stop trolling on a calvinist discussion!
     
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    So regardless of whether he determines or 'allows' or decrees, he gets what he WANTS done?
     
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    And JW Pastor Russell. Mormons Joseph smith etc! Big difference is that Calvin taugh the Bible!
     
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    Every cult member believes their leader teaches bible
     
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    Yes but do the one's who choose to believe also have the same capability to choose not to believe? Can it go either way with the same person.
     
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    In terms of possibility, yes. In fact, those who do believe at one time did not.

    The issue is whether or not the Holy Spirit works in those who believe to reveal the truth of the gospel. If so, they believe. If not, then it is up to men to figure it out. I believe the former is true. If the Spirit reveals the gospel as true, and if the gospel is really the power to salvation, then men are saved. If men don't believe then it was not revealed by the Spirit to be true.

    No one can deny what is revealed to them as truth (otherwise it would be revealed as something less than true).
     
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    Does God want ISIS to behead Christians?
     
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    Si Calvinism is a cult, and Calvin same as Pastor Russell?
     
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