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Calvinism Alone Gives fullest glory and honor to the Grace of God
- Thread starter JesusFan
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Calvinism alone starts with the assumption tahtw e aere all spiritually dead in Adam, and as such, it is impossible for us to do anything in and by ourselves to merit any kind of salvation
I would say that Calvinism begins on the right path.
And that we all deserve hell
And that reason right there is why many cannot accept it as ther truth, as we still have proud pride in our sin natures that feels like we deserve heaven, and that we are "not that bad", but the Cross shows to us that "we all really were that bad"And that we all deserve hell
Election is God actually choosing to save a hell bound sinner. It is election to salvation
Election is God actually choosing to save a hell bound sinner. It is election to salvation
God has chosen His plan of redemption for all who will be saved.
"For God so loved the world that He gave..."
That's the predestination, His plan of how man will be conformed to the image of Christ.
Not a predestination of who will be saved.
God does not save a plan. He has ordained to save all those elected unto salvation. They and thy alone are the objects of His seeking and saving.God has chosen His plan of redemption for all who will be saved.
"For God so loved the world that He gave..."
That's the predestination, His plan of how man will be conformed to the image of Christ.
Not a predestination of who will be saved.
They alone are the Everyone believing of Jn 3:16..... no more, no less.
God does not save a plan. He has ordained to save all those elected unto salvation. They and thy alone are the objects of His seeking and saving.
They alone are the Everyone believing of Jn 3:16..... no more, no less.
God, before the foundation of the world decided that man would be saved by Grace through faith in the finished work of His Son.
That was His plan, and the predestination of all men who will believe.
You see, Z, God did not predestinate who would be saved, but how we would be saved.
God, before the foundation of the world decided that man would be saved by Grace through faith in the finished work of His Son.
That was His plan, and the predestination of all men who will believe.
You see, Z, God did not predestinate who would be saved, but how we would be saved.
If you read all those predestination verses in this light, you will see what I'm talking about.
Thanks for your response Charlie,God, before the foundation of the world decided that man would be saved by Grace through faith in the finished work of His Son.
That was His plan, and the predestination of all men who will believe.
You see, Z, God did not predestinate who would be saved, but how we would be saved.
Many evangelical Baptists have this simple, but biblically anemic understanding of what God has revealed As His intentions toward fallen mankind.
In many churches, those who say they "believe the Gospel" are saying that they believe they are sinners, and believe Jesus died to save sinners. Often times many remain as spiritual babes, or young children in the faith, failing to study and grow as they should. There are many reasons for this.
Many I have seen, have little to no understanding of our triune God as A Covenant making, and Covenant keeping God. They fail to understand the very nature of God's design of what exactly be accomplished at the cross. When called upon to expound a bit, they fumble and stumble as they have not been instructed in these things. Your post above is biblically deficient, and you do not see how it is actually unbiblical, that is, opposed to revealed truth. You think you have it correct, and are trying to help. but what you offer is way off. I do thank you for your attempt at offering help even though what you offer is defective. That is as nice as I could put it.
Thanks for your response Charlie,
Many evangelical Baptists have this simple, but biblically anemic understanding of what God has revealed As His intentions toward fallen mankind.
In many churches, those who say they "believe the Gospel" are saying that they believe they are sinners, and believe Jesus died to save sinners. Often times many remain as spiritual babes, or young children in the faith, failing to study and grow as they should. There are many reasons for this.
Many I have seen, have little to no understanding of our triune God as A Covenant making, and Covenant keeping God. They fail to understand the very nature of God's design of what exactly be accomplished at the cross. When called upon to expound a bit, they fumble and stumble as they have not been instructed in these things. Your post above is biblically deficient, and you do not see how it is actually unbiblical, that is, opposed to revealed truth. You think you have it correct, and are trying to help. but what you offer is way off. I do thank you for your attempt at offering help even though what you offer is defective. That is as nice as I could put it.
Well, that was nice and I appreciate that. You believe what you believe, and I have shown you what I believe.
As @JonC has so graciously reminded me, those posts are for those who don't know what to believe, let them consider what I've said.
Yes Charlie,Well, that was nice and I appreciate that. You believe what you believe, and I have shown you what I believe.
As @JonC has so graciously reminded me, those posts are for those who don't know what to believe, let them consider what I've said.
Each person on here can only offer what they believe. I cannot expect you or John, or Silverhair, or Van to offer anything close to the truths that some of us take for granted. We post for those who read and are searching for truth. I think it is good for people to read and consider what is offered. I like to offer truth more, but it is hard to read the caricatures and straw men offered, that need to be exposed.
Go with what you understand until God gives change.
Yes Charlie,
Each person on here can only offer what they believe. I cannot expect you or John, or Silverhair, or Van to offer anything close to the truths that some of us take for granted. We post for those who read and are searching for truth. I think it is good for people to read and consider what is offered. I like to offer truth more, but it is hard to read the caricatures and straw men offered, that need to be exposed.
Go with what you understand until God gives change.
This is the way God intended for us to disagree, and in the disagreement let those who are confused have a way to understand.