Calvinism Alone Gives fullest glory and honor to the Grace of God

[Eternally Grateful]

Calvinism is only consistent within a very small box. Start looking around and it falls apart.

If redemotion is God punishing our sins in Jesus instead if us, then why did Jesus have to die at all as we still die.

because physical death is not the wage of sin.

If we are recreated and are being conformed into the image of Christ then why punish our sins at all as on "the day of wrath" we would be new creations in the image of Christ rather than wicked?

Because they were redeemed by the blood of the lamb

If God must punish sins then how can God forgive sins (God can't both punish and forgive the same sins).

Because someone else paid for them

Why does God do what He said is an abomination?

Why does the Bible repeatedly tell us God forgives sins when men turn from themselves and to Him, yet never once say God forgives sins by punishing then on Jesus?

It does say this if you read it.. maybe not outright. but the bible never uses the word trinity either.

Why does God say sins will not be transferred from one to another if that is what He does (and He would obviously be ine only one who could do it).

He who knew no sin, became sin for us..

Calvinism is a stand alone philosophy. Scripture only gets in the way. And even then it is juvenile in its logic.

100% I would almost add any ism does this

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The unbeliever is still in their sins. The fact that Christ is the propitiation for the whole world does not constitute universalism. It does not also imply that there cannot be judgment reserved for the unbelievers.

actually Jesus himself said the unbeliever is condemned already because they have not believed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But it is not a Calvinist slant to say that the epistle to the Romans is addressed to saved people. Paul says whom he is writing to:

“To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.” (Ro 1:7-8 NKJV)

Your pastor talks to his church. and talks to them as believers.

does this mean everyone there is a believer?

romans 1 and 2 speaks directly to lost gentiles and lost jews.

so this line of reasoning fails

 

[Zaatar71]

Z you blew it with your first comment. "Romans5 Is speaking only of the Elect."

Show from what is posted anything that is not taught in the passage.

 

[Zaatar71]

typical response when the actual word does not say what you think

Show where it is not taught. Shooting your mouth off does not show anything from what was offered in this text. Show what it teaches if you see it different

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Show where it is not taught. Shooting your mouth off does not show anything from what was offered in this text. Show what it teaches if you see it different

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[i] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

You people continue to have a major issue with the term all


Judgment came to all men.

through Christ's act. grace also came to all men. Not just the elect.

Nice try. but you failed

 

[Silverhair]

If you do not understand Romans 5...that tells us what we need to know about you...lol

Your getting as bad as BF. You repeat your foolish comments.

 

[Van]

How can dead people who hate God in their very natures want to even seek, much less submit to Him?

I have answered that off the shelf Calvinist canard dozens of times

"No verse says or suggest that while we are spiritually dead, we cannot seek God or put our trust in Christ, Luke 13:24. Not all, but many do seek God and eternal life in Christ."

 

[Zaatar71]

18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[i] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

You people continue to have a major issue with the term all


Judgment came to all men.

through Christ's act. grace also came to all men. Not just the elect.

Nice try. but you failed

deal with rom 5.1-11...that was the text that was quoted, we can deal with your other error afterward. You claimed something, now back up your claim. You do not do it, because you cannot do it. Do not run away like a cult member does. If you believe you are correct, shot it

Your getting as bad as BF. You repeat your foolish comments.

Sh, because you cannot begin to answer us, does not mean that what we post is foolish. You objecting to the teaching and doctrine God has given to local churches might very well be considered foolish. You and the other anti Cal posters offer very little to edify anyone, It looks as if you are a bunch of contentious , disgruntled people who are trying to argue with no purpose! have a nice day !

 

[Zaatar71]

I have answered that off the shelf Calvinist canard dozens of times

"No verse says or suggest that while we are spiritually dead, we cannot seek God or put our trust in Christ, Luke 13:24. Not all, but many do seek God and eternal life in Christ."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

deal with rom 5.1-11...that was the text that was quoted, we can deal with your other error afterward. You claimed something, now back up your claim. You do not do it, because you cannot do it. Do not run away like a cult member does. If you believe you are correct, shot it

Actually I never claimed anything. I just stated without even looking, you have a typical response. you did not prove you point, you just made a statement.

secondly. If you do not stop your childish angry behavior. I will put you on ignore.

 

[Silverhair]

But it is not a Calvinist slant to say that the epistle to the Romans is addressed to saved people. Paul says whom he is writing to:

“To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.” (Ro 1:7-8 NKJV)

Dave I know whom Paul was writing to but the problem when dealing with calvinists is they use a different dictionary.

When Z a calvinist uses the term "elect" what does he mean or for that matter what does any calvinist mean. Do they mean those saved before the foundation of the world as calvinists posit or those that are in Christ because they are saved through faith.

If calvvinists would use the common dictionary then there would be be no confusion would there.

 

[Van]

The poster of post #46 ignored the evidence and reposted the false claim, the canard of Calvinism. This is all they have folks, deflection rather than edification. Jesus says many seek the narrow door, but Calvinism claims Jesus miss-spoke as all the lost hate God continuously.

 

[Zaatar71]

Actually I never claimed anything. I just stated without even looking, you have a typical response. you did not prove you point, you just made a statement.

secondly. If you do not stop your childish angry behavior. I will put you on ignore.

You have offered nothing but insults...put me on ignore, because you are just trying to cause trouble, and call people names.I will try and survive without your great insights! Have a nice life,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have offered nothing but insults...put me on ignore, because you are just trying to cause trouble, and call people names.I will try and survive without your great insights! Have a nice life,

lol.. Your the insult king my friend.

I will be watching carefully and expose your false truths..

 

[Zaatar71]

lol.. Your the insult king my friend.

I will be watching carefully and expose your false truths..

Good luck, and happy hunting! you expose all the truths you think are false!

 

[Silverhair]

Show from what is posted anything that is not taught in the passage.

Give me your understanding of who the "elect" are and why they are the elect.

With calvinists you can never be sure what words mean so it is necessary to ask for clarification.

But you asked me to show from your post anything not taught in scripture. Well here it is Z.

I can see where you error when you post this "Only the saved Elect have peace with God. Only the saved Elect are justified."

You are starting with the calvinist premise that some were "elect" before the foundation of the world because of your misunderstanding of Eph 1:4.

We are only elect/saved when we are in Christ, the "Elect One", through faith and since no one could have trusted in Christ prior to them being born well you can see the obvious problem that your calvinist view presents.

 

[Zaatar71]

Give me your understanding of who the "elect" are and why they are the elect.

With calvinists you can never be sure what words mean so it is necessary to ask for clarification.

But you asked me to show from your post anything not taught in scripture. Well here it is Z.

I can see where you error when you post this "Only the saved Elect have peace with God. Only the saved Elect are justified."

You are starting with the calvinist premise that some were "elect" before the foundation of the world because of your misunderstanding of Eph 1:4.

We are only elect/saved when we are in Christ, the "Elect One", through faith and since no one could have trusted in Christ prior to them being born well you can see the obvious problem that your calvinist view presents.

Before I can answer in a helpful way, let me ask you this question-
Have you ever studied the biblical Doctrine of Union with Christ?
What is your understanding of that?
Have you not studied it?
If you have, what do you think it is.

 

[Silverhair]

Sh, because you cannot begin to answer us, does not mean that what we post is foolish. You objecting to the teaching and doctrine God has given to local churches might very well be considered foolish. You and the other anti Cal posters offer very little to edify anyone, It looks as if you are a bunch of contentious , disgruntled people who are trying to argue with no purpose! have a nice day !

You and BF have been answered from scripture many times but you just disagree with the word of God when it does not fit your calvinist twisting.

The unfortunate truth is that many churches are not teaching truth but rather they are teaching views the basis of which is pagan philosophy.

I am what you call anti Cal because I reject false teaching/twisting of God's word.

 

[Salty]

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